Yahari analysis focused on the thoughts & feelings of HIkigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡), Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) and Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人), three people who still remained in the cafe, after the cold war between Yukinoshita sister has ended. This part will close the curtain of The Operation Fire Doughnut of Haruno and The multidimensional plan of Hayama. Also answer other questions.
This post is Oregairu/ Yahari analysis that concluded how [his multidimensional plan] & [operation Fire Doughnut] of Haruno (that started during the donut cafe incident & still continue until now) had ended. And other questions in this double date event.
Other questions in this post.
- Hidden meaning in Hayama’s words (after Haruno and others left).
- The conversation between Haruno and Hayama (that happened in the past).
- Why does “you” help people?
- The Hidden Meaning of This Visualization: Bicycles Fail.
(2/6/2018) – I finally understand the meaning of Haruno’s words – Someone ruined her parade. If you want to read, you can click Ctrl+F and search with “her parade”.
(20/7/2018) – Improve decoding Hayama’s words when he talks with Hachiman (after everyone left). And the hidden meaning of bicycles fall.
In case you didn’t read her operation & his plan yet, I recommend you to read these two series before read this analysis. So you will not be confused in what I wrote here.
Haruno Launched OPERATION Fire Doughnut
Part 1 – when Haruno met Hachiman in the donut cafe, explained how she felt toward her little sister, although she saw Yukino’s change in the school cultural festival.
Part 2 – explained the raging fire of jealous in Haruno’s mind after she heard “unbelievable info” from his former classmate, Orimoto Kaori (折本 かおり).
Part 3 – with what happened in part 2, this explained how she started her operation, and she “needed” Hayama.
Part 4 – explained how she
forced convince Hachiman so he will go to Hayama’s date group.
Part 5 – when she met Hachiman again, before the double date, her “misunderstanding” revealed what she always wants.
The truths behind Hayato’s sacrifice for Hachiman.
Part 1 – explained about the hope & despair of Hayama when he got call from haruno to come to the donut cafe, but it appeared he must go have fun with unknown girls. Along with the jealous & inferior complex toward Hachiman.
Part 2 – his plan started when he invited Hachiman to the date. This part revealed how he “lured” Haruno & his love rival to his secret plan.
Part 3 – revealed how he used people to tortu** his love rival during the date. Along with his feelings when we watched Hachiman suffered.
I strongly recommend you to read LN v8. And manga -Monologue- v7 will help you see the scenes about what happened in double date. Manga Monologue is consistent with the story in LN. Anime Zoku, ss2 of Oregairu, is good, but many important scenes & conversations were cut or modified.
- Please read Attention page first, to let you understand that my all analysis are not 100% right.
- Spoilers up ahead.
- This analysis was written before LN v12 will come in this September.
- I recommend you to read/watch Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. (やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。), Oregairu (俺ガイル) LN/anime Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku (やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続)/manga Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabu Kome wa Machigatteiru. -Monologue- (やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。-妄言録-) before proceed.
- This analysis was written before LN v12.
Before I will start.
Before you will reach the last part, let me mention part 3 first, I explained about Yukino’s condition that effected her volition to solve Isshiki Iroha (一色いろは) and her own inferiority complex toward her older sister, and how her big sister “misunderstood” that her younger sister hates her and their family. The real reason that this result happened is they never talk about this. Yukino never talked why she is so angry to Hachiman, with him and Yuigahama Yui (由比ヶ浜 結衣), and Haruno never talk about her feelings to her little sister even once. That’s why their “unawareness and misunderstanding” happened that become the bad result.
The bad result that
- made Yukino had another trauma, the shamefulness that she got because the eyes and the silence of the others in that place “agreed” with Haruno’s opinion. (Her feeling was shown when Hachiman talked with her about her election participation because one of memory she reminded is when her sister made her realize the mistake she almost do.)
- Haruno who got another trauma because she hurt her younger sister because of her own overwhelming anger and disappointment toward Yukino. (Her feelings was shown via her back.)
Both of them got traumas.
But now, I will concentrate to the trio, Hachiman, Haruno and Hayama. Their feelings and thoughts, and the final result of secret plans of Haruno and Hayama.
Now it’s time.
Operation Fire Doughnut & The multidimensional plan,
Friday The cafe
But although I decided to close the curtain of what happened in the double date, to tell you the truth, I recommend you to not believe in my assumptions completely. Because I realized that this last part is the most difficult phase among all Oregairu analysis regard LN v8. So I will “splash” my assumption bullets instead. The hardest thing is Hayama’s thoughts. Thoughts, not feelings. I don’t have any problem to decode his feelings, but since there are too many mysterious in this character, it was really hard to decode his own thoughts when he talked with Hachiman. Although Haruno is very difficult to decode what she is thinking when she talked with Hachiman, Hayama is the hard mode for me.
And I will say that although I can’t understand about his thoughts perfectly, I realized that what he thought didn’t direct to what Hachiman is, like other people and even Hachiman himself interpreted. (?) After I decoded his words and obtained hidden meanings, I finally realized one of his past and understand why he did all of these. My post is TL (more than 10,000 words!?) but if you can read until the end, I can say your effort will be worthwhile.
But right now I will focused on the first character who left from the scene first, Haruno.
The remained emotions of Yukinoshita Haruno
In the part 3, I explained how she was driven by overwhelming anger and disappointment that she witnessed her sister didn’t try to change so she will gain her own “self” again, but she chose the worst route even Haruno never imagine Yukino will choose this path, the way to be Mrs.Yukinoshita, the professional manipulator. After she delivered her own anger to her sister by making her aware her own mistake, what remained with her after her flame of anger died down, is…
the sadness and guilt.
I can’t describe how she felt when she hurt her sister very well, but her back alone would make you know something one or two. But if you want clearer example, it’s not different from when Hachiman hurt his beloved sister when she invaded his mind because she wanted to help his brother (LN v8, anime season2 ep3). That incident made Hikigaya siblings hurt each other until ep5. He felt guilty he hurt his sister. Hikigaya Komachi (比企谷 小町) felt guilty she crossed the line.
But what I want to say is not how they hurt each other, but because they are close siblings. Because Hachiman cares for Komachi, and she cares for her brother, when they realized they hurt one another, their guilty are stronger because they hurt the one they care for. This notice can explain how Haruno felt, when she hurt the one she cares for.
And I don’t know Haruno will hate herself after hurt her sister or not, because there’s no any clue that show her own after effect. But I think when Yukinoshita sisters can has “girl talk”, I am not surprised if both of them will say they are sorry hurting one another. It’s like the memory returned again and made them can reveal their suffering that time (I mean the double date). But this is my personal assumption or should I say, my hope only. From LN v2, Yukino showed she is jealous when she watched other siblings are close. And Haruno showed clearly that she cares for her sister. These signal made me hope their wish will reach another side sooner.
Come to think of it, my hope to see them has girl talk is still very difficult (at least for now), difficult more than when Hachiman reconciled his sister, because Hikigaya siblings are close from the beginning, so when they need to talk, although he must gather courage to talk with his sister, it happened. But in the case of Yukinoshita sisters, in order to make Yukinoshita sisters reconcile, they need miracle, because Yukino can’t do that to her sister because of many reasons. But since the author “laid the foundation” of reaching the one they care for.
- such as when Hachiman can reach Yukino and Yuigahama (a bit) when he gathered every ounces of courage to talk with them).
- or when Hiratsuka-sensei gave him important lesson because she “trusts” in him.
And since Haruno must live in the same place with her sister as their mother commanded, the hope I’m waiting for is around the corner.
But we need to wait until that possible future will come, don’t we?
The raging fire tornado of haruno.
I think Hachiman disliked how Haruno treated her sister like that, so he questioned her. I assume her reaction is normal. She pretended to ignore his question. This is like self-defense, I mean, she didn’t see why she need to answer the honest answer to him, since this is about herself and her sister only. And although she told him why she did that, it’s possible that he wouldn’t believe and complain (judged from his tone). So ignore him is the right thing. I think she too, wants someone understand her, like during the school cultural fes, Hachiman asked what she is planning in spite of realizing well that her existence will effect her sister. Haruno asked him back if he’ll believe her or not.
When Haruno asked Hachiman back that…
“You think so?”
For Haruno, I think this is not the question or she was asking him, but it’s just the words because she was ignoring him, and she didn’t need any answer at all. However, for Hachiman, when I read his answer, I think he misunderstood that she was asking him, so he answered. Too bad for him that his answer is like stepping the land mine.
“Yes. Well, I happen to have a little sister myself, so I can easily tell if there’s ‘something’ going on between fellow siblings.”
I think his answer cause the raging fire in Haruno’s mind. She didn’t want any answer. But if you look via her point of view, I can say that his words hurt her feelings extremely. Why is it like that? Because when you talked with someone who are suffering because of whatever reason, but s/he tried to act normally, so no one even you will notice, but you suddenly say something that pierced her/his trauma, you know what I mean, right?… So when he said something that went straight to her fresh trauma that happened just now, although he had no any malice when he said, but the raging flame in her mind raised. That’s why when she heard that,
she smiled to “her target”.
“You seem to understand everything, don’t you, Hikigaya-kun?”
Although the pics above are not consistent with her raging flame because she didn’t release it desperately. But I can tell she was so angry at him that he said as if he understands about what happened between herself and her sister very well, but he didn’t know anything. Even Hachiman who was not aware his wrong, he can understand her pressure toward him via her remarks that dripped with sarcasm and her expression, that he is just the fool to say like he understands. If he knows what happened, he wouldn’t ask her why she went overboard to her sister.
When Haruno noticed his attitude, I think it’s like a system in her mind that will work automatically. If she saw the others are feeling bad because of her, she will lessen the pressure so the others will relieve or forget what she did just now. Her auto system happened many times,
- such as in LN v3, when she met him for the first time. When he noticed “something dark” in her, she noticed he realized that in her, so she increased her own cheerfulness and cuteness (as two pics above ⇑) to him so he will forget what she did earlier.
If you want to know more about “their stare exchanging” that time, you can read more in Oregairu Analysis – When Yukinoshita Haruno Also Gazes into Hachiman.
- or in LN v5, when she said the legendary question that made him and Yuigahama were curious what she meant, she acted like she was admiring the firework to not let them be aware her hidden thoughts.
I “decoded” remarks and attitude of Haruno at that time in full version for you already, so if you want to know the her hidden intention that leaded to her decision until she went to the school during the cultural fes, you can read more in Oregairu Analysis – “When” Yukinoshita Haruno Decides to Help Yukino.
So her sudden cheerfulness to him this time is not different. To not make him feel bad. However…
However, this time her auto system didn’t run effectively and shortly. Although she lessened pressure to him, but her raging flame of anger that happened because the fight and his shallowness still remained and made her waver. That’s why although her auto system worked its best to lessen the pressure by wearing cheerful mask and saying the good point of Hachiman that she always admires too, she ended up showing her own “true feeling”, and I agree with him, that her feeling is not the love, but the anger. Her overwhelming anger that even her cheerfulness and logic can’t stop its flame.
ps. When I mentioned the moment Haruno admires the good point of Hachiman, this moment was not shown in anime, but in LN v5.
“Things that shrink back from something malicious really are cute.”
Her remarks this time is the result that she looked down upon her target, the one who pierced her trauma.
My old assumption – Haruno showed her love to hachiman.
Actually, since the influence of anime Yahari Zoku is so powerful. I mean, after I watched this ep4, I judged Haruno’s attitude without any hesitation and interpreted that she showed her interest toward Hachiman. I mean, when I watched her praising and raising her hand to him like that. These clear actions made me think she showed her love to him. Or should I say, I myself want to understand that she did that. But in LN, didn’t make me can confirm that my old assumption is correctly or not. Because it can be anything.
My doubt – Haruno’s face is melting.
So it’s my lucky to read manga -Monologue- v7. This manga made me doubt my own understanding. The page when I can see Haruno’s expression when her cheerful mask was melting like cheese… I mean, I ever mentioned earlier about her auto system. Although she was smiling, her eyes told “another”. At first, I have no clue why she made face like that in spite of she was saying how he is interesting. But this reference made me doubt my own thought, my thought that she showed her love to him. In case you want to see her expression, you know what I want to recommend, don’t you?
My new assumption – haruno is angry & looks down upon hachiman.
Actually, I should write about this section before analyzed how she felt, but never mind.
Anime made me got assumption I like, manga made me doubt. So if I need the truth, I must search in LN. And in order to achieve it, I need to review the conversation between her and Hachiman again. And this time, I must realize the development of this character that happened before this conversation. I will tell you that my old assumption was created “before” I will be aware “her true wish toward her sister”. So I built my old assumption so easily and placed my own expectation to it. So for my own opinion, it’s not credible.
But after I wrote many Oregairu analysis that are related to Haruno, especially…
- Oregairu Analysis – “When” Yukinoshita Haruno Decides to Help Yukino. (link is above ⇑)
- Oregairu Analysis – “After” Yukinoshita Haruno Decides to Help Yukino. (The First Part)
- Oregairu Analysis – “After” Yukinoshita Haruno Decides to Help Yukino. (The Last Part)
- Oregairu Analysis – And Then, Yukinoshita Haruno Launched Operation Fire Doughnut! (Part 1)
These analysis the results after I can be aware the development of this character a little bit, and they will help me can find how she was feeling and thinking when she was talking with him after the cold war between her and her sister. After I reviewed her remarks carefully, I decided to make my new assumption. The new assumption that I analyzed already above.
And now she said something to another guy.
And then, Haruno “rejected” hayama “again”.
After she done talking with Hachiman, she said just one line to another guy beside him. At first, I didn’t think much about her remark toward him, although it made him sad a little. But when I read LN v8, his reaction toward her remark is just a sigh that sounded like he was coughing. However, when I watched his expression in anime, although the reference in anime is not what I should take it as reliable reference, but thanks for it, I doubt why Hayama made a face like he wanted to sink to the soil.
However, his expression was the starting point for me to find out the truth or not, I already forgot. But after I realized his true intention to make Hachiman suffer during the double date, that made me realize “his pink but black wish” why he made all these during the date, and “his secret love plan” during the cultural fes. as the next result, I finally understand the moment when Haruno said to him, and the hidden meaning in her words. I can say when I realized that hidden meaning, it impacted me so much, and surprised how the author can hide this truth excellently.
As the topic above, I wrote Haruno rejected him again, because it ever happened once (at least in Oregairu’s story). If you want to read the first time she rejected him, I recommend you to read v8 (during the donut cafe) when she
“comforted”him after she made him must go hang out with Orimoto and Nakamachi. And this moment was not shown in anime and manga -Monologue- v7. So if you wonder why I assumed that Haruno rejected him again, it means you didn’t read my Oregairu analysis yet, so I will recommend you to read my posts that has “Hayama Hayato” tag , especially…
- Oregairu Analysis – Finally, “Y” in Hayama Hayato’s Heart Was Revealed.
- Oregairu Analysis – “LOVE Plan ♥” of Hayama Hayato During The Cultural Festival? The Time to Reveal This Has Come! (The First Part)
- Oregairu Analysis – “LOVE Plan ♥” of Hayama Hayato During The Cultural Festival? The Time to Reveal This Has Come! (The Last Part)
- Oregairu Analysis – And Then, Yukinoshita Haruno Launched Operation Fire Doughnut! (Part 3) – I analyzed the moment when Haruno “rejected” Hayama for the first time (during the donut cafe).
After you finish reading these analysis, his multidimensional plan (all parts) and the conclusion of Haruno’s operation and his plan (all parts), you would see how the alternative story ran, the story that focused on Haruno and Hayama. He planned all of these to make her interest in him instead of Hachiman. But I will say that she ended up rejecting him again. Do you know why she rejected him? It’s easy. It’s because he
didn’t consider her feeling.
Why did Haruno reject Hayama?
The first reason
I will say that Haruno realized why he did all of these already. If you want to know when she realized his plan, I will point at the moment when she saw his supreme epic show. When he acted like he is the hero who protected the victim from villains.
In LN only, after Hayama confronted Orimoto and Nakamachi, everyone were stunning in his action, but there’s only one who made a voice as if she was sneering. This is the moment when I realize why she made a voice like that. She really “sneered” Hayama’s action, include with his hidden objective. I think she got the answer by including the true nature of him to her consideration and finally got the conclusion of his reason why he wants Hachiman, how he can drag herself to this date, and why he gathered everyone to this double date.
Another evidence Haruno really sneered, is in manga -Monologue-.
If you want to know why Haruno sneered at his action, you should look via her own point of view, how are you feeling when you watched someone is protecting the others although his true nature say another.
Although just this conclusion will make her reject him because he never is honest, because everything he did in this show is just a fake show that was written to trick her especially, to make her believe that even he can do something like his love rival (sacrifice himself for others or for better result). Just like when she was amused in Hachiman’s action during the cultural festival.
When she realized his true intention and the truth that he tried to trick her, that he was trying to hide it from her, do you think how she will feel after caught it? If you are Haruno, how do you feel? Do you realize “his feeling” toward you? What do you want to answer after got this conclusion? But just this conclusion is not the reason she rejected him (although just this is enough for her to reject him), there’s second reason why she rejected his feeling.
The second reason
Remember when her sister came to the cafe or not? When she watched the scene when Yukino was going to forcing Hayama to participate the election, I am sure this is the moment Haruno realized why he appointed her sister to the cafe. Because if she knows the true nature of him very well, and when she saw his epic fake show and now his attitude toward her sister and Yuigahama after Orimoto and Nakamachi left, Haruno would realize instantly that he made her solve his problem for him.
When I assumed that he made Haruno solve his problem, of course, she didn’t need to jump to appear in front of her sister, but I ever wrote in Part 2 that he knew very well that she will stop her sister for sure, because he made Haruno see how her sister was going to be like her mother, the one who made her suffer until now. So the possibility Haruno will not jump to the scene is zero. And I am sure that she realized that he was using her to solve his problem. My evidence is her own words.
Hayama: “I just wanted to do whatever I could.”
Haruno : “Hmmm, I see, I see.”
Her words is so easily to overlook, because it’s just a normal response. But if you can understand how he intent to use her to stop his problem, her response is like she finally realized what he wanted her to do (stop Yukino for him). So I will ask you again, if you are Haruno, how are you feeling when you know that someone will use you do dirty work while that someone was so scared to do it by himself?
The last reason
How are you feeling if you realized that someone used you to solve her/his problem but you ended up hurt your beloved sister?
With these three reasons I found (and I am not sure I found all of them or not), it’s enough for Haruno to reject Hayama. I think after she realized everything he did and she got heavy mental damage, when she turned to him, what she said to him covered her own feeling toward him and the truth that she caught the reasons why he dragged Hachiman to the double date.
“People who can just handle everything flawlessly just aren’t fun, right?”
If my assumption about Haruno realized everything, along with the mental damage she was carrying right now, she didn’t tell how he did all of these, I think she meant he can trick her to his own plan and she never realize until it’s too late to left. He lured her to this show by using Hachiman, that made her so curious until she observed his action. Along with how he can manipulate everyone for his own purpose perfectly. If the outsider watched his show, s/he would admire him for sure. This is the true meaning of her, when she said Hayama can handle everything flawlessly.
But although he can do everything perfectly, the truths that…
- he already tricked her (lured her to observe him).
- tried to trick her (via his supreme epic but extremely fake show and made her hands dirty to solve his problem)
- and she ended up got heavy mental damage from hurting her sister.
will not change. So when she said about him who did something like that is not fun, she didn’t mean people like she said, but Hayama. I think she said people because she didn’t want to specify, but she knew well that the boy she meant would know she means himself. So “people”. And although I assumed that she rejected him, she didn’t mean it directly. But since she knows well Hayama will get her answer that was attached in her remark. So although she didn’t say it clearly, but let him think about it himself. The words that has her own feeling toward him inside.
Because she is not interested in him at all.
the end of operation fire doughnut of haruno
For you who already read my analysis about operation fire doughnut of Haruno (part 1-5), you would know that I wrote about why she dragged Hayama to hang out with Orimoto and Nakamachi to make him suffer because although she is the one he loves, she rejected him voiceless via hanging out with almost strangers instead, and one of those is the girl Hachiman ever confessed love to. If you want to know her objective why she did all these, I wrote them in part 3 already. So I will not repeat it anymore. Things I want to write is how it ended.
- Actually, her secret plan started to be destroyed the moment she decided to corner Hachiman to this double date already, because she fell in Hayama’s trap/manipulation already because he was aiming to destroy the situation she forced him during the donut cafe.
- Her plan to make him suffer endlessly didn’t work (in case she expected hellish ending). Because when he got Hachiman to the date, the rumor might not happen, because Hayama didn’t go the date alone, he got another boy too. So if someone who knows Hayama (the popular guy) saw him with two girls, they might not cause the gossip because Hachiman was there too. So if Haruno aimed Hayama will suffer because of the rumor, it will not happen because he was with Hachiman (judge from reaction of Miura Yumiko (三浦 優美子), Ebina Hina (海老名 姫菜), Isshiki Iroha (一色いろは) and Tobe Kakeru (戸部 翔)), the guardian.
- Is Haruno aiming for the hellish ending or not is still questionable, but I think she wants him to be distant from her by pushing him to those girls she dislikes (and Orimoto is the one who seized Hachiman’s interest). Because she hates him but he wants her love him.
- And her operation was destroyed by herself and Hayama when he started to confront those girls. Because Haruno’s plan is making him stay away from her, but when she dragged Hachiman to the double date, Hachiman made Hayama’s plan to destroy her operation was successful. Because if Hachiman was not there, Hayama must go hang out with those girls alone. But when he confronted those girls to protect “Hachiman he prepared”, Hayama didn’t need to hang out with those girls anymore and fo-re-ver, got it? I will say that Haruno is the one who destroyed her own plan but Hayama is the one who planned her do it.
Another thing that is very important is her own remarks when she was leaving from the cafe.
“Someone rained on my parade, anyway.”
The Meaning of “Someone rained on Her parade.” (New!)
Previously, I didn’t understand its meaning. But now, I am sure that “someone” she meant is Hayama and her parade is her wish to recover the relationship with her sister again. Because I was the one who wrote about her plan to help Yukino and realized why she did that. But I never think everything has connection at the beginning. The parade she mentions, is her wish to be close with her sister again. Maybe I am a fool.
So when I review via her own plan to help Yukino during the school cultural festival, it means that Haruno right now realizes that she destroyed that tiny wish with her own hands…since she was the one who fell in Hayama’s trap by her own will (she was curious why Hayama wants Hachiman to join this double date so she came to observe, but she realized later that Hayama lured her to stop his problem, and ended up hurting her sister because she couldn’t stand to see her sister be like her mother, the one who always forced her to do things).
And I used a word “tiny wish” because when she talks with Hachiman in the donut cafe and gains some info about school and Yukino, she realizes that her sister would not participate in any events that will help her gain self-confidence/improvement. That’s why she is so disappointed. However, although Haruno will feel like that and the possibility that their relationship will be recovered again, is very low (since Haruno thinks that Yukino will not change herself), Haruno didn’t do anything to shatter this possibility yet, until she pressures her sister to do things by her own hands (participates the student council president).
This moment is important thing that no one can notice so easily. Because after she did something that is like “obloquy” to her sister, she “feels by herself” that both of them would not be close again, because she hurts her sister. Got it?
When she realizes that and is regretting it, Hachiman who also didn’t know her feeling at that time since he was confused why she said like that to his club member, said something that pierced her heart… That’s the cause of her anger toward him who dare step on l@ndmine. Although she has ability to understand others but right now her emotions, her regret and anger are everything.
Actually, her expression and pressure in manga Monologue and @Comic are more consistent with LN. In manga Monologue, maybe I’m wrong, but when I look at her expression when she talks with Hachiman, I think she is going to cry…
Anyway, if I don’t understand her at that moment, I think she is very scary like most people think. But now, I think she is like a normal human, not different from others.
I think she would feel anything negative toward Hayama (who destroys her wish) when she realizes her parade was destroyed and it’s not surprising if she will not forgive him (like when she pressured Hachiman). But I think she would blame herself because she can’t forgive herself that let Hayama manipulate her so easily by making her interest his unusual behavior (he bowed to Hachiman to invite him to the double date). If she reviewed what happened, she would know her own foolishness to make herself dance in his palm despite she understands his true nature very well.
So her own guilty that making her own wish was destroyed, deducted with her own unsatisfied and hatred toward Hayama, becomes the tiredness. She is too tired to hang out there so she just says one line only. When she says she is tired, I think she means it. If you know everything that happened is ridiculous and it happened because of just the selfish desire, and you danced all times and got mental damage as the big bonus, why will you not feel so tired?
And then Operation Fire Doughnut of Haruno, ended.
In the end, Hayama was rejected by haruno.
When Hayama done with his supreme epic show, he was just waiting for Haruno’s answer enthusiastically, and at the same time, he seeks help from Haruno because her little sister was going to force him to participate the election. After she done her job, now it’s time to the finale!!…
When Hayama got her answer, he realized instantly that his effort can’t change her mind… I don’t know how he interprets her answer, but it must not be like he expected for sure. Despite he tried so much, but what she tells him is like that, boring guy, and leaves the scene. It’s not like as he imagines (she will be interested in him after all of these end). That is not different from nonchalance. I am not sure if he knows or not that she rejects him just now.
If you want to know how the story of the brave Hayama is, I will explain.
Now we have the three characters, himself (the brave knight), Haruno (the princess/his crush) and Hachiman (the victim he protected just now). After he can save the victim (who he prepared) from villains (he prepared), imagine how the princess (who interests in the victim all times) will admire the brave actions. She would even stop hating him for whatever he did in the past. And when the princess can be close with him again, the remained character (the victim) is not his concern anymore. Imagine more when the brave knight is ready to welcome her and he & the beautiful princess walked out from the scene together, while the victim is standing alone as if…
(assume this guy is Hayama.)
From his own multidimensional plan and his objectives, I am sure that the best ending he was aiming for is not different from the best ending we can see often in romance much. And since he didn’t need to use victim anymore, he will let him be. And if you look via his point of view as the one who hates Hachiman, it would be fabulous if he can win Haruno and toss Hachiman away. The moment when he and Haruno leave while the one he hates will be left alone. It’s like the perfect victory announcement that reflexes the true nature of him very well.
But yes, the best ending I mentioned is just imagination since it never happen. The ending right now is the cruel reality. The one he wants the most, is not interest in him, not in the least. She just told him how perfect he did but she saw him as “boring”. And she just left from the scene…like that. When he reviewed her remark, it’s clear that she still thinks about him the same.
And he falls into the despair.
The princess just left, let the prince rot while the victim watches him. And he must face the raging flame of another person.
Hachiman misinterpreted hayama’s remarks.
I will say for now that Hachiman misinterpreted Hayama’s words. But I will say that he misunderstood because he never realize Hayama’s objective that it is more selfish. So when Hachiman listened to him, his words made Hachiman interpreted as he can understand. I will try my best to let you see the difference.
If you look via the point of view of Hayama, I think he was busy with absorbing this truth (the truth that he was rejected). But his love rival started to scold him because he interfered his own problem (confronted those girls and he made his club mates see it). From Hachiman’s monologue, he didn’t want both of them see he is in the awkward situation (from Hayama’s words back then, both of them would know that those girls looked down or bullied Hachiman). Imagine when the others were bullying you and your friend see it. It’s not surprising if he was irritated that Hayama pillory his suffering, his weakness. That’s why he was so mad at the guy beside him.
When Hayama realized Hachiman’s anger, he…
Hayama made a self-deprecated laugh and relaxed his shoulders. When he did that, the Hayama whom I thought was overbearing looked tiny.
“Sorry. That wasn’t my intention… I just did something I wanted to do.”
If you think Hayama has good will when he tried to save Hachiman, his words right now is so normal and can be overlooked so easily. But when I realized his intentions, his words is consistent.
- If I will TL the violet colored words, it means he never had any intention to do like Hachiman said just now. He didn’t interfere his problem because he concerned about it.
- if I will TL the red colored words, it means he did because of his own selfish desires (make Haruno interest in him and make Hachiman played the victim role so he will be the brave knight).
But since Hachiman will never know his real objectives (and as if he will tell him), he will think Hayama’s action is unnecessary and he should mind his own business (yes, it’s his own business but his business need you and everyone). When Hachiman didn’t understand why Hayama must destroy his image just to protect him, that is not profitable to him at all (no, it’s very profitable to him to the point that he can lose his own image in the close area like the cafe). So Hachiman questioned him to urge him say why he did that.
Hachiman: “…Are you really okay with what you did to them earlier?”
Hayama: “…I feel terrible for doing it. I don’t want to do it ever again.”
Hachiman’s pov: He is so angry in what Hayama did and didn’t understand why the nice guy like him must but in business of the other.
Hayama’s pov: When he did something that he will never do it (confront people), it’s not weird if he will feel so terrible when he must stand before the others while he was so terrified.
So when Hayama sat and suggested Hachiman to do the same, the anger in Hachiman’s mind will not do as he said, and he needed his answer. Hayama noticed Hachiman’s unsatisfactory so he didn’t insist again. When he crossed his fingers, he was going to his own thought that is like confessing his sin.
Analyze the hidden meaning in His words – The conversation between Haruno and Hayama (that happened in the past).
“…I’ve always been thinking. About a way to take back the things that I destroyed.”
Hachiman’s case: When he heard Hayama say something unexpected, he was confused what he meant. But he knew Hayama’s style, to not refer something clearly.
Hayama’s case: Please don’t forget he just was rejected by his crush, so the sadness and despair are flowing in his mind. When I saw him sat and crossed his fingers, along with his words from now on, it’s feel like he was confessing his own sin. And of course, he didn’t say anything that related to Hachiman or what happened in the present but his past.
“I… had expectations of you. Even though I understood you, I asked you for help anyway. Because of that…”
Hachiman’s case: I don’t know why he is angry than earlier, but I think he was thinking Hayama was disappointed in him. ⊗
Hayama’s case: I have two assumptions for you to consider.
- Hayama was talking about himself and Hachiman. he hoped using Hachiman will make him realize his own selfish wish.However, I’m not sure what Hayama meant when he said “though he understood Hachiman”, but if I need to TL, I think it means he knows well that using Hachiman will make Hachiman suffer and not gain any benefit at all (but he will use anyway). So when he said “he asked Hachiman for help anyway”, he didn’t mean like he said or when he asked him to go to the double date. It means he
asked(“used”) Hachiman for help(to make his plan successfully).
- These are Haruno’s words. Or words above are words of Haruno that he remembered until this day.
Haruno: “I… had expectations of you. Even though I understood you, I asked you for help anyway. Because of that…”
(TL: She expected him to do something despite she realized how he was scared since he had not dare to help her younger sister from other people in the school. Nevertheless, she still asked him anyway since she couldn’t rely on anyone but him.)
Not sure which assumption is correct so I will leave them for now. Let’s see next speech.
“You need to understand your own worth more… And it’s not just you, but the people around you, too.”
“But it’s just so difficult, so… I mean, there should’ve been a better way to do it… This was really the only thing I could do.”
Hachiman’s case: He thought Hayama was teaching him in spite of he was the one who asked him for help. This made Hachiman confused more. ⊗
Hayama’s case: I don’t think he was teaching Hachiman at all, since he was sinking in his own sadness and despair that is related to Haruno. So he didn’t refer to Hachiman.
Pink colored words above are the most difficult for me to decode. When he used word “but” in the next speech, so this word let I know immediately that these two speeches are two different thoughts between two people. So when you read these two speeches only, you will see that the first speech is remark of “another person” and the second speech is his own opinion, got it?
And when I considered that he reminded something that are related to what happened to him just now (he was rejected by Haruno) and the theme that I found just now, I will bet that this pink words are Haruno’s. And when I assumed that he was sinking in his own mind or should I say, his memories, I assume more that he was reminding when Haruno convinced him a long time ago when they were close. And if the certain incident that became the turning point of the trio (Hayama, Haruno and Yukino), I assume more that this memory should happened when he was the late elementary student, the time when the relationship of him and Yukinoshita sisters shattered.
[ps. If the second assumption is consistent with his reaction, present and her rejection the most, the first assumption (Hayama was talking about himself and Hachiman. ) is not correct automatically.]
I was not sure what Haruno wanted to say in those pink words because I didn’t know who are “the people around you”, Yukino? or bad people around him? So I decided to interpret two assumptions like this and I will review all of them again. ⇓
- “the people around you” is her sister. – Then she would be trying to urge (or even encourage) him.
- “the people around you” are bad people around him. – Then maybe her words happened after everything had ended… If this is true, it means that she judged his true nature that is not different from those people who bullied her sister.
When I read the orange words (his opinion), I think he disagreed with Haruno or couldn’t do as she wanted him to do. It seems she expected him to do something, but judged from his own fear to do as she was requesting (Haruno requested people? This is new to me!), he thought his own way is better and he couldn’t do more than that.
And if I consider how he always so scared when he must confront people, I think maybe it might be related with things Haruno ever expected him to do, confronting people to protect someone dear to her. But he ended up do different. And “some people” in the world of children is not far from the school, the place where he didn’t do anything to help her precious. The only issue that happened at that place and that time is when Yukino was bullied by people in the school. However, he didn’t save her at all (if I include his words during the summer camp) And it’s related to Haruno’s hatred toward him, because he chose the safe route for him.
After I reviewed these Hayama’s words carefully, I decided that…
- the first assumption in the first round (Hayama is talking about himself and Hachiman) is not correct since it doesn’t connect with other next words.
- the second assumption in the second round (“the people around you” are bad people around him in the school) is not consistent with the whole conversation in the past.
- another second assumption in the second round, about “the people around you” are bad people around him. is not correct. Because Haruno tried to insist to Hayama that there is another one who is worthwhile to do something too. And I don’t see why she wanted to show that bad people around him are worthwhile despite they were bullying her sister.
So I will organize and interpret like this so you can see the whole format better. Let’s see things they ever talked. ⇓
The conversation between Haruno and Hayama (that happened in the past). ⇓
Haruno: “I… had expectations of you. Even though I understood you, I asked you for help anyway. Because of that…”
Haruno: “You need to understand your own worth more… And it’s not just you, but the people around you (my sister), too.”
All of these showed the past when he and Haruno talked and what was happening at that time, how she asked him to save her sister despite she knew that he would be afraid of the situation but the only one who she could rely on is him. Therefore she tried to urge him to increase his confidence and to make him realize that Yukino also has worth to be saved too.
Everything connects each other.
However, it appeared that he “confessed” to her as he said above (he couldn’t do that). ⇑ This was the reason why their relationship was cancelled and how trio’s relationship shattered in the end like the domino effect that he still remembered until this day, remembered even Haruno’s words at that time.
The bad situation in his school was happening → Hayama was asked to solve this but he couldn’t → Haruno/Hayama’s relationship was ruined → his & Yukinoshita sisters’ relationship was ruined →…(Oregairu story) → Hayama acted as hero but hurt everyone include Yukinoshita sisters → Haruno saw through everything & rejected him again.
Oregairu Analysis – The First Broken Heart of Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人) [Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Seasons 2 Ep 1-2]
In case you still doubt if his and Haruno’s relationship was ruined despite they seem to be close like little brother and big sister in the story (such as in LN v6 or v10), Hayama “revealed” the answer already in LN v7 (anime ss2 ep1-2). Or you can read his hints in this post.
And this became the conclusion that could explain why he pretended to be the hero who sacrificed himself to save victim (Hachiman) from villains (Orimoto and Nakamachi) by copying Hachiman’s actions during the cultural festival, to dece- umm fulfill Haruno’s expectation (See? I can do it, Haruno.) that he couldn’t do this in the past, or all of these for his own self-satisfaction!
My feeling after know the truth…
However, my assumption series about his past is just my random thoughts that connected everything only. So please don’t believe it completely. But when I considered the atmosphere and how it seems he was talking with Hachiman only, I can dare say that Hachiman was misunderstanding but I also can understand why he was thinking that Hayama was talking about him. If I am Hachiman, I would think like that. I am really impressed WW can design the story as two patterns, superficial and deep level so readers (like me) would see only superficial and misunderstand so easily but if I can control myself to not believe in it and reach that deeper level, I can obtain the truth. So I will cherish this LN v8 (and others). ♥
After Hayama said all mysterious words, I think he was thinking when he prefer to do something different (not help people) and he thought this way is better and it was the only thing he could do. I am not sure again about his method/style/his way or whatever in the past, but if his style is not different from his present style, I assume more that it’s about…
- let others do dirty works for him (like when he used Haruno and Hachiman suffer for him).
- when he must confront people, he just didn’t do anything, or avoid it. (such as during the school trip).
- when he must ask
usepeople to help him, he will manipulate related people secretly to do so (such as what happened in this epic).
“…This is how you did things up until now, right? Can’t you just stop making a victim out of yourself now?”
Hachiman’s pov: Be furioooooous. ⊕
Hayama’s case: His objectives to say like this is…
- Since he reminded that past and felt bad, he vent his feeling to the one who gains Haruno’s attention by “changing words” to be so negative (from “sacrifice” → “making a victim”) so he could make Hachiman to be upset so he will feel good a little bit (really manly, Hayama). The evidence why I think Hayama wants to make Hachiman suffer by saying something like this, because when Hachiman felt irritated because of his own words, he had no any intention to collect Hachiman’s understanding at all and looked at Hachiman was angry continuously as if he was impressed. His words showed how he bullied his rival just because he couldn’t fulfill his own hope during this double date.
- Therefore this also is how Hayama “convinced” Hachiman to not do something he would not do it again. Because he didn’t want his crush to like his rival more than this. This is such despairing try. You can notice that Hachiman must remember Hayama’s abuse and would control himself so he will not make himself a victim as Hayama said again. Again with Hayama’s attempt that hid his ill will for his own pleasure. But if I will write melodious, Hayama was relying on Hachiman.
If Hachiman did his own style again while Hayama can’t do it anymore, it’s not surprising if his crush will develop her own feeling to something ♥ Hayama will not allow it. So Hayama’s worry is understandable.
However, I don’t think Haruno admires Hachiman’s action just because she didn’t say anything about the victim, but the strong enemy, and when we look at her response ⇓ after Hachiman started to destroy Sagami’s policy, it’s no way she likes because Hachiman acted like he is a victim but the clear enemy.
So Hayama thought Hachiman acted like he was the victim for real, is still questionable. But he will not allow himself think that Hachiman, the one he hates the most will get title “the brave” from him. So “the victim” is suitable in his own opinion that is full of his own malice. For the example, when A watched B, the one A hate so much, do something that made your crush likes the one A hate, A will hate B more, and will think so negatively to B instead. So A will not think B as something good or important because A’s hatred will not allow it, but A will title B as something bad (such as the victim) instead, for A’s satisfaction (and laugh secretly).
… Come to think of it, could it be Hayama always thinks Hachiman is the victim?
A: I …don’t think so since this is thing Hayama couldn’t do it in the past. That’s why when he watched his rival do something he couldn’t and his crush was really pleased, he was not pleased like her and walked away.
Anyway, when he looked down on Hachiman, it was what he was aiming for, he knew well that Hachiman will remind the most refreshing memory (when he was bullied by those girls just now).
Hachiman’s pov: It’s so obvious how he felt when Hayama said as if he looked down on him by saying like his actions earlier (when he was bullied by those girls) is like the victim and Hayama watched this scene all times so he told Hachiman that he was like the victim. When someone watched you was bullied by the others, and that someone believed and told you are like a victim. That someone felt pity you and told you to stop to be a victim in front of her/him, how do you feel?
I will say that it’s normal if Hachiman will be so mad at Hayama because he stumbled on his own pride. But when I watched him was bullied by those girls, even me feel that he is like the victim. Hachiman didn’t think like that because when people bullied him, he will enter to the logic world to prevent mental damage as much as he can. However, although he is the professional in driving to his own logic realm, the bullying of those girls is like the endless combo, so he can’t prevent all mental damage, and that made him suffer.
So when he heard Hayama the one who didn’t do anything about him but watched, say something as if he pitied on him, he can’t accept it. Although he realized he was bullied, he hated when someone ached for him. Since Hachiman thought Hayama was misunderstanding, so he tried to collect Hayama’s understanding, but he didn’t know that the guy in front of him is not the nice guy who was misunderstanding, but Hayama just wanted to see him suffer for his own satisfaction, to relieve suffering that happened just now because he was disappointed in Haruno’s answer because when Hayama looked like he was impressed when he watched Hachiman suffer from his words.
(ps. In anime, Hayama didn’t show that he was so impressed when he watched Hachiman irritated. He just sat there and watched Hachiman with calm look only. So you will not notice his real expression.)
That’s why Hayama was pleased when he was watching his rival struggle, that was the next result from asking Hachiman to not play victim that he said just because he didn’t want his crush pay attention to his rival more than this.
Why Did “You” Help People?
But in spite of Hayama intent to make Hachiman suffer, when he heard Hachiman’s explanation to solve the problem by himself, not need anyone’s help, Hachiman’s remark made Hayama say like this…
“Don’t you help people… because you want someone to help you?”isn’t it because you’re wishing for someone to help you?”
Hachiman’s case: For Hachiman, it was in his mind that Hayama was saying that he (Hachiman) helps people because he is wishing someone to help him. So Hayama’s remark made Hachiman misunderstand again, that’s why he thought it’s useless to talk with this stupid guy (actually, it’s futile to talk with him from the beginning). ⊗
Hayama’s case: But I will say that Hayama didn’t mean Hachiman, but himself. Because…
- While Hachiman was telling him his own policy, his words made Hayama think about himself.
“After all, it’s because I’m always alone. If there’s something that needs to be solved, the only one who can do that is me. Isn’t it obvious that I should be the one who does it then?”“Whatever my surroundings think, they don’t have a damn thing to do with anything. The things that happen right before my eyes are always only the things that I can do. Don’t misunderstand and stick your nose in where it doesn’t belong.”When Hayama was listening to Hachiman, is it possible that things Hachiman was telling is things Hayama did.
- After Hachiman finish his excuse, Hayama’s reaction as if…At some point, Hayama, who probably hadn’t noticed himself, was clenching his fists. He suddenly loosened his grip and casted his eyes downward.
These reactions can show us how he was feeling about himself when he was listening to Hachiman. I can say that Hachiman’s words is the same as things Hayama did.
If I considered all of these two assumptions and if they are not wrong, it means that Hayama is like Hachiman said, as you can read in underline & green words above ⇑. So he answered to Hachiman like that (if he was talking about Hachiman, he would not feel down like that too because Hachiman’s suffer was what he wished). I will decode his words again so you can see the clear image.
“Don’t you help people… because you want someone to help you?”isn’t it because you’re wishing for someone to help you?”
[TL: I (Hayama) help people…because I want someone to help me. It’s because I am wishing for someone to help me.]
Who is this “someone”? I am not sure either because it can cover to any situations and societies but if I was focusing on his multidimensional plan or what happened in this cafe, I would return to “someone” he wants. If I want to know who is that “someone” who Hayama mentioned, I need to connect Hachiman’s words above with this question.
Hayama’s thought (Final TL)
“After all, it’s because I’m always alone. If there’s something that needs to be solved, the only one who can do that is me. Isn’t it obvious that I should be the one who does it then?”
“Whatever my surroundings think, they don’t have a damn thing to do with anything. The things that happen right before my eyes are always only the things that I can do. Don’t misunderstand and stick your nose in where it doesn’t belong.”
“Don’t you help people… because you want someone to help you?”isn’t it because you’re wishing for someone to help you?”
[TL: I pretended to help people… because I want Haruno to help me from the loneliness. Because I was wishing for her to help me.]
I changed color of these words to show you that I want to convey that all of these are Hayama’s thought (not Hachiman’s anymore, ok?). I hope you will not be confused. If you can set your mind as I suggest, you can understand Hayma’s thought. And if this is his thought, you can understand many things about him and his final words…
Who is that “someone”?
“Why” did he do all of these?
A: Want “Y” to help him from the loneliness.
What is “his surroundings”?
A: Everyone in this event.
What are “things” that happen right before his eyes?
A: They are always only things he can do. His usual method, pretense.
And the hidden meaning of his final words.
A: I think you know already.
Then it means that he did all of these even dragged people to his scheme via “that faking but nice, helping people” because he wished Haruno will help him from this loneliness?
So this is the conclusion of his multidimensional plan.
My feeling after know all of these…
(And this would be what I would do, leave.)
But his words made others misunderstand so easily, or should I say it’s no way to understand correctly, because Hachiman had no clue, he can’t read Hayama’s mind and didn’t know what happened to him, so he misinterpreted many times and suffered.
When Hachiman left from the cafe and was busy complaining what Hayama did to him. Hayama was alone and was thinking something. Something that was still refresh, the memory when he was rejected by Haruno. Because when Hachiman was not there anymore, he didn’t vend his feeling for his own satisfaction anymore, so he will return to review what happened to him just now again. At first, I’m not sure what he was thinking for real and there’s no any explanation in LN anymore so I left it at that. But when I read the name of c5 in LN v8 that would be Hayama’s conclusion from WW.
Even until the very end, Hayama Hayato still can’t understand.
(How can he understand if he still insists “only the things that he can do” like that?)
The end of the multidimensional plan of Hayama
This is the end for people who have no any consideration. Because he just expected that future only but he didn’t care other’ feelings. Desire > correctness. Actually, if he can relieve his own desire but concentrate on the correctness by helping people for real, no any pretense, I believe that the result will change positively (but it will be as he hoped, it was up to Haruno’s mind too but I can expect that at least she would change her attitude toward him). It’s too bad Haruno realized his will, he lost things he expected as the final result.
But this should not cover only this character, this issue can interpret to other characters in the story. If s/he do something like Hayama, the result is not different. So to expect the true future, maybe s/he needs to change her/his attitude, focuses on the correctness more than her/his desire. If they can follow this pattern, correctness > desire, the true future they expect can be expected as the final result. Although they are just fictional characters, I really hope they will find…
the true & everlasting happiness.
The Hidden Meaning of This Visualization: Bicycles Fail.
I ever doubt a scene when Hachiman is gazing his bicycle and others fail and it’s difficult to pull his bike while he is really upset because of Hayama’s abuse. When I was staring this pic, although I didn’t know its meaning but I could feel a negative emotion, “the desolation“. Until I interpreted other metaphors in the story and decoded what happened in this hellish double deat- umm date, I can finally interpret this scene.
I am not sure if each bicycles that has different colors will be related to things WW wants to present or not. However, this picture shows how all characters affect and suffer from multidimensional plan of a certain guy.
- Bicycles represents every characters that stayed in the cafe just now.
- Bicycle’ state represents …how should I say? How everyone got damage and how their existence affected others continuously until they fall like domino.
- And to make this happen, something or someone must make the first bike fall (that I don’t mean Orimoto or her friend, Nakamachi). Maybe it is some dark energy?
- The last bicycle belongs to Hachiman’s so I think it’s possible that WW wants to show that he is the one who got huge mental damage or falls to the lowest level that Hayama wants him to be, the victim for him.
So I will end the last part. Next, I will write about …LN v10. I think I will choose when Haruno and Hayama meet Hachiman and Yuigahama at the shopping mall. In this Yahari Zoku anime ep10, I wondered for a long time why Haruno calls her sister out although she would know well that Yukino would not want to join the family dinner. Does she just want to mess with Yukino? The answer of this issue is she has no intention like that but it connects with a certain event that it will be the last trial for many characters include her too. I will focus on this in my next analysis.
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