Oregairu Analysis – And Then, Yukinoshita Haruno Launched Operation Fire Doughnut! (Part 5)

Right now, my Oregairu analysis in Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃)‘s operation fire doughnut reaches to part 5. The analysis this time will focus scenes during Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡) and Haruno are waiting Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人) and two girls for double date. If you read her operation part 1-4, let me admire in your high spirit and stamina. However, I wonder you can endure this part.

In this part, After Haruno’s operation fire doughnut has ended, I will explore how she and Hachiman are thinking (especially Haruno) during they are waiting for Hayama and those two girls. Although I said her operations has ended since she was successful in luring Hayama to her trap, but it seems she didn’t know what he is planning, so we will see how this will end.

In the part 4, I wrote how she dragged Hachiman to go with Hayama’s date group, because she is super curious why he wants Hachiman to go with him so much he bowed to him.

The scenes in part 5 or should I say, in ch5, you might remember Hachiman is waiting for double date in a cafe nearby and Haruno comes to meet him and they have some chat while they wait for Hayato and others to come. This scenes should be normal, so-so and no any thing to analyze. However, it appeared that there are many things and of course, too much interesting that make me spends almost a month just to write this analysis in this part 5!

Moreover, I analyzed about Yukino and one of member in Yukinoshita family as well, guess who?

In their normal conversation, I can say Watari-sensei tried to cover Haruno’s thought very well . I think it is my fortunate for me to read his creation. OK. Don’t let me hold you longer more than this. I will let you sink into Haruno and Hachiman’s logic palace!

ps.

  • Please read Attention page first, to let you understand that my all analysis are not 100% right.
  • Spoiler up ahead. And I recommend you to read/watch Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. (やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。), Oregairu (俺ガイル) LN/anime Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku (やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続)/manga Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabu Kome wa Machigatteiru. -Monologue- (やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。-妄言録-) before proceed.
Operation Fire Doughnut
Chiba Prefecture, Tokyo
 LN v8, Anime Zoku ep 4, Manga -Monologue- v7

College student’s activities

Hikigaya Hachiman refuses Yukinoshita Haruno's invitiation. (Oregairu Zoku ep4)

Seriously, why me?

After Haruno succeeds to corner Hachiman to go to double date, he ends up wait in the cafe while killing time until Hayato and two girls will arrive. But he doesn’t expect Haruno will be there and find him. She buys coffee and sits at the seat across from him. He asks her why she is doing here. She gives him weird answer like usual but she adds more she wants to know why Hayato wants Hachiman to come along so much. He is curious why she has a lot of free time. She gives him the reason why by saying she is a college girl who has money and excellent grades.

ps. For more info, in manga monologue v7, when Haruno said she wants to know why Hayato wants Hachiman to come along so much he needs to bow at him. She said this while she calls him at nighttime. So if you want to see her “dark smile” that mentioned by Hachiman in LN v8 c5, you can see her expression there.

Hachiman agrees college students would have a lot of time if they didn’t do research, homework or part-time job. But they can have some activities together like flower viewing, BBQ party, dress up in Halloween and even have hot pot party. And the places they can have fun would be near their college.

Haruno is sociable woman who has excellent appearance so that’s why Hachiman wonders about her. She can do many sociable activities together with her friends. It’s surprised to try to live outside the social around college, especially someone like her. We know she hanged out with friends in the shopping mall before but that’s just one time only. She has not any friends who be with her so often. We saw her met Hachiman and others but she will appear alone every time. That’s why he started to wonder she might not has many friends.

Descend to his logic world

Stage 1

Or this is doughnut from that cafe?

Or this is doughnut from that cafe?

Hachiman wonders what Haruno normally does so he asks her if she doesn’t has many friends. Hearing that, she acts like she is going to break into tears and says he is the only who ever gives her the time. Hachiman is annoyed a bit with her acts but maybe the joke she gives him right now is not a joke.

(With Haruno’s acts to pretend to cry in front of Hachiman and says he is the only one who gives her time, made me think she is trying to act as a joke so she can reflect him to not think like that to her. However, her acts made him (monster of logic like she titled him earlier) wonder her fake reaction might reach him to “her true condition” until now.)

Stage 2

Deep in air bubbles, there are truth he wants to know.

Deep in air bubbles, there are truth he wants to know.

Descend to his logic mode again, with her perfect outward appearances made her to be idolized. However, the bright side has the opposite as well. People respects her by her outer appearances so they will try to get along with her by approaching her. With this result, he wonders more there weren’t many people who she sees as her equal.

  • I don’t understand about the opposite or black side Hachiman thought before. But when I tried to think like drawing a line from a point to another point, I can conclude a bit that …if someone like Haruno who has bright outer appearances, most people didn’t try to look at inner appearances because they only saw what they wanted to see. With her clearly perfect appearances, they will think this person is perfect, bright and it’s like magnet that pulls people around her so easily. I wrote “so easily” because most people didn’t have high mind resistant in their stats, to try to look at her carefully a bit.

Or tried to understand her a bit.

  • In LN, anime and manga -monologue-, there’re no any scene when Haruno was idolized because of her good looking and status very clearly. However, in manga series Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. @comic (やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。@comic) v3, there’s a scene that can explain you how people tries to get close to her. “That scene” can explain her situation until now very clearly.
  • Many people who have perfect outer appearances might be proud for possessing this skill, but I don’t think Haruno is like that. We can see clearly when Haruno met Hachiman (or Hachiman’s group), she hardly was with other high social or college friends. So it means she always wants to be alone from those people.
    Why did she want to be alone? I assume if people around her had no intention to look at her true self or tried to understand her but wanted to see her perfect appearances (in other words, her mask) only, then why did she like to be with them? In anime both season 1-2, there’re many scenes Haruno appeared alone (school festival, doughnut shop).

In case you want to know why Haruno possess the perfect mask, you can read Oregairu analysis – the third memorandum.

Last Stage

They share the same taste, they just don't know.

They share the same taste, they just don’t know.

And he thinks those should be the reason why she was so persistent with Yukino because her younger sister is near Haruno’s position.

Maybe LN author wants to tell us about Haruno’s true condition (or even Yukinoshita Yukino (雪ノ下 雪乃)‘s too, indirectly) for a long time via many scenes. But author will not point us straightly. He wants to give hints in indirect way, so he used Hachiman, the narrator, is the one who is focusing on her as a mysterious woman. Always trying to understand characters in Oregairu is one thing I always like. I’m not smart enough to understand Haruno, Hayato or even Tsurumi Rumi completely but what I can do for sure is to keep reading and watching LN/anime/manga.

When Hachiman thought Yukino and Haruno are in the similar position. The reason why they are in similar condition can be seen by Hachiman’s point of view. When he met Yukino and Haruno at the first time, he saw them as beauties, high intelligence and talents, dignity people and elites. This should be impression when looks at Yukinoshita’s sisters. And I will not be surprised if other people around this siblings, will think the same. The only difference between Haruno and Yukino is expressions & how they act with people in social.

With similar condition, it seems like Haruno and Yukino have been facing difficult situations because of their similar outstanding outer appearances. Maybe that’s why Haruno is “so persistent” with her younger sister more than normal sibling’s level should be.

  • Maybe Haruno cares for Yukino and doesn’t want to lose her again, just like when she escapes from bitter past by studying abroad.
  • Or because she is lonely when she still falls into the despair alone because of family.
  • Or both.

OK, I will try to explain how Haruno treats Yukino, how their family treats Haruno and Yukino, and how Yukino manipulates people around her step by step.

Haruno’s manipulation

We can see in many scenes that Haruno tries to force Yukino to do something she thinks it’s good to her younger sister, by using harsh/cold words (especially, their mother). There’s many times when she uses the ultimate keyword “mother”, Yukino surrenders and does as her older sister says. I notice Haruno started her manipulation skill clearly in LN v4.

  • When Haruno goes to pick Yukino up after the summer camp, Yukino ignores her, so she uses keyword “mother”. This keyword makes Yukino to surrender and go with her.Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) tells Yukinoshita Yukino (雪ノ下 雪乃) that "mom" is waiting for them. (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 anime ep 8)

Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) is crying to Sagami Minami (相模 南) because her sister, Yukinoshita Yukino (雪ノ下 雪乃) doesn't like this idea. (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 anime ep 10)

Please grant my wish, chairwoman-chan.

Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃), the guardian of Yukinoshita Yukino (雪ノ下 雪乃). (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 anime ep 10)In v6, she cheers Sagami Minami up and supports her bad idea, because she wants to eliminate the obstacle for her secret plan to help her sister. If you want to know more about her secret plan and how to manipulate Sagami, you can explore in Oregairu Analysis – “After” Yukinoshita Haruno Decides to Help Yukino. (The First Part).


  • In v8, Haruno uses the keyword “mother” again, and plus with harsh+cold words too, to make Yukino realizes she is forcing Hayama to be the student president. The way Yukino does, is like the way their mother always does.
  • In v10, Haruno uses Hachiman as a bait to lure Yukino. It works, she goes out and meets them.
    • Maybe the reason she wants Yukino to attend to the New Year family reunion.
    • Maybe Haruno wants Hachiman realizes Yukino’s true condition, when she sees gund*m their mother.
    • Or she wants Yukino to meet their parents once in a while to maintain their parents mother’s temper, or else their mother might consider to make Yukino comes back and lives in Yukinoshita’s house permanently.
    • Or maybe all of them.
  • In v10 again, Haruno lanches manipulation skill many times.
    • When Yukino asks Haruno about which career path Hayama would choose, she doesn’t know or care about his career path and tries to be cold and tells her to try to solve this problem harder.
    • Haruno greets Hayama when she sees him but she feels the reaction of people around them are weird for some reason. Isshiki Iroha, the student president, tells her that maybe it’s because of that rumor. Haruno is so curious and pressures her a bit. Isshiki has no choice but tell her about the rumor between Yukino and Hayama.
    • Hachiman is called by Haruno when he is walking out from the building in the school. It seems she is talking with Isshiki and Hiratsuka-sensei and makes them wait with her too. Hachiman feels sorry for Isshiki and sensei because Haruno makes them wait with her until she sees her target.
      (This is out of topic but I don’t think she is waiting for Yukino but for a certain person. Why do I think like that? It’s because Haruno should see Yukino and Yui when they walk out from the building together, right? Both of them are stand out more than Hachiman who walks alone. How can Haruno not see them? That’s why I think she tells him that she is waiting for her sister, because she doesn’t want him to know that he is the one she is waiting for.)
    • Haruno wants Hachiman to find out Yukino’s career path and reports to her later. Maybe she gives this small mission to him because she sees Yukino is relying on her when she asks about Hayama’s career path. Remember when Haruno says to Yukino that she is relying on others again and tells her to find out by herself?
      This scene makes me think more this is the one reasons she decides to wait for Hachiman, not Yukino. Give him a mission to find out Yukino’s career path and she will tell him later that her sister is having a problem.
      I suspect that this problem made Haruno got trouble before, and she hopes he should know Yukino’s true condition and finds out how to solve this problem, because she doesn’t know how to fix this and can act coldly only so Yukino will not rely on her like she did in the past. Yes, I wonder Hachiman will realize or not that Haruno and Yukino need his help.
Yukinoshita family’s manipulation

I wrote word “family”, in LN didn’t mention about their father except in LN v5, he and his wife want Haruno to go to the university and faculty they think it’s suitable.Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) tells Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡) over & over that her mother is scary. (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 ep 9)

Her mother would sneeze because of her gossip.

  1. In case of Haruno – she is forced by her family to be the perfect daughter, the heir of family, the CEO of her father’s company, attends to social events whenever they want her to help, choose the career path they expect her to study, etc. This is gigantic expectation her family expect/force/manipulate her to do. And she never refuse to their expectation before if my memory is not wrong.
  2. In case of Yukino -her family expects her to do and to be as they please too. We can notice from her mother tries to convince her to choose the career path as they want. Convince her to attend family gathering in the New Year. Decide to let her stay at home while her older sister attends social events.

The real feeling of Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃). (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 ep 9)Just like in LN v5, Haruno needs to work alone as her mother wishes while Yukino must be in the house, no go outside. The unbalance scale reflects their suffering by different way. I wrote about this issue more in Oregairu Analysis – “When” Yukinoshita Haruno Decides to Help Yukino.


Yukino’s manipulation

Maybe Yukino fans would be angry to me, but when I didn’t hold back to explain about the manipulation of Haruno and her family, I decide to not be taking sides with any characters at all. Yukino’s case about manipulation is kinda different from Haruno and her family (their mother). Because she can’t do that to the one who manipulate her, she does it to people around her instead. Actually, I’m sure Haruno and her family would manipulate people around them too (such as Hachiman and Hayama -> look at the scenes during doughnut shop for example). But in Yukino’s case, how she wants/forces/orders people around her to do something, sometimes is not clearly. However I notice she started this skill in…

  • In LN v1, She said she was bullied by girls in her class before, so maybe this is one of reasons why she wants to change the people and the world to be better. Her wish is good/beautiful, is ideal, but can’t be possible that the world will change as she pleases. And because of this ideal, she tells Hachiman to change his thought because she doesn’t like it… This incident happen when they have conversation in the club room, after Hiratsuka Shizuka (平塚 静) brings him to join this club.

  • Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡) asks Yukinoshita Yukino (雪ノ下 雪乃) about relationship between her and Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人). (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 Ep 7)
    In v3, she wants to save Tsurumi Rumi from the bullying by her clique. Her good intention like hero. Her determination makes Yuigahama Yui and Hikigaya Komachi, even Hachiman admire. However, I notice she can’t find how to save Rumi either. If she can think how to solve this problem, it would be good, but when Hachiman sees her be alone in the forest after the curry meeting ends, I feel she was sunk to her own past (just like Hayama and Yui). If she is not the one who was bullied before, maybe she can find the way to save Rumi.

    So when everyone is preparing for the test of courage, her manipulation skill is activated again. She demands everyone to solve this, because she can’t solve it. Because of the time’s limit and she has good intention like I said earlier, but that’s how her skill was activated.

  • Yukinoshita Yukino (雪ノ下 雪乃) says there's no any penalty but a merit. (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 anime ep 12)

    She offers

    Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃)'s word hides her true feeling. (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 anime ep 12)

    In v6, this is not manipulation but it’s very interesting. When Yukino asked Haruno to help them during the cultural festival, you might not notice but Haruno is terrified because she feels that her little sister is using her, like her mother always used her by asking for help. I think Haruno is seeing her little sister as the replica of their mother. Oregairu Analysis – “After” Yukinoshita Haruno Decides to Help Yukino. (The Last Part). To see she is like that or not, you can read more in


  • In v7, she accepts to help Tobe Kakeru (戸部 翔) to confess his feeling to Ebina Hina (海老名 姫菜). Hachiman stops his confession by fake confession instead. Yukino can’t accept how he protects the superficial atmosphere around Hayama’s clique. She tries to keep distance from him. I noticed she thinks Hachiman is like her, see the world like she sees, will never accept any superficial status like he always insisted. But when he protects what she hates, she can’t accept that, and never tries to listen his reason. With her reaction back then, I notice her ideal world she tries to has, was destroyed in front of her. So she can’t live the world she can’t control anymore. That’s why this incident made their relationships between them were shattered. When I see the picture in the LN, I feel Yukino feels disappointed in Hachiman.
  • In v8, Yukino is the one who decides to search for someone who can be the student president to help Isshiki Iroha (一色いろは)‘s problem. Hayato is her target because he is one of top student in the school, so she and Yui decide to meet him so they can convince him to accept this position. I know this case, Yukino and Yui don’t know before they are forcing him to solve this problem. When they realize this mistake from Haruno’s harsh words, Yukino decides to solve this problem by herself. I am not sure I’m right or not, but this is the first time there is someone who doesn’t mind to be villain and tries to tell her that forcing someone to do something they don’t want is not good. Yukino doesn’t intend to control anyone, but her manipulation skill is auto-skill, so she doesn’t realize by herself when this skill is activated.

What I explain above about how three women of Yukinoshita family use manipulation skill, is for you to see how they inherited this skill and use with people around them. I think they are the same and all of them always have the close connection. They lived together since Haruno and Yukino were born and was raised by the one who has manipulation skill. So both of them will inherit the same skill and do the same thing to other people.

Haruno realizes her mother and Yukino have manipulative skill, but she never question about herself that she is doing the same. Yukino can use this skill to order people around to solve difficult problems (except one time, she orders everyone to do the jobs like usual, but she does her best to buy time so Hachiman can find Sagami to do her job.), however she never question herself what she is doing. Their mother tries to talk to people with gentle words but control her target efficiency.

I don’t know their mother realize what she does, so I will assume that she would not realize about herself that she manipulate her daughters. All of them unintentionally control people.

Controllers, abusers and manipulative people don’t question themselves. They don’t ask themselves if the problem is them. They always say the people is someone else. – Darlene Ouimet

However, please don’t misunderstand I mean all of them are villains or some kind like that. I agree with Hachiman’s words when he says every humans are the same and normal. I think Haruno, Yukino and their mother would be raised in the same environment as well. We can see these two beautiful daughters lives in the controllable environment because the one who controls their lives, appears before us (their mother). And I will assume that their mother would be raised in the same environment as their. That’s how and why she and her daughters have this skill.

So what next is, if you live in the same environment as their, will you try to change your life in better way or not? If no, it means you would be satisfied in your own life. If yes, you would try to change the environment around you. When I look at how three women of Yukinoshita family do to other people, I guess they pick yes answer. All of them try to control people around them or social so they can achieve their own desire. That’s why their manipulation skill is awakened.

  • In case of Yukino, I can say she is scared her mother and sister so she can’t control them. That’s why she manipulates other people instead.
  • In case of Haruno, she said by herself that her mother is scary, so she can’t control her and she was raised by elite family. That’s why she manipulates her sister and people around her so they will not know what she is thinking.
  • In case of their mother, I have no any clues at all. But if what I assumed that manipulation skill can send to people who was controlled, then could it be their mother too, is received this skill by the one who is close to her and controlled her. If my assumption is not wrong about their daughters are sacred their mother who controls them, could it be their mother is scared the one who controlled her.
    However, it’s possible that her mother manipulate people although no one ever manipulated her before. She wants everyone to obey her because of her own fear.

Fear is a manipulative emotion that can trick us into living a boring life. – Donald Miller

If your life was controlled by someone, you hate it but can’t change it anymore so you give up, how can you live in blissful/happy/peaceful/ life?

End of sermon about manipulation within Yukinoshita’s family member.

So let’s return to Haruno’s analysis again. Beep beep! Why is she so persistent toward her sister?

  • It’s possible that Haruno can’t change her own situation by herself. You can say because no one comforted/supported/helped her before. So she gives up (like in the memorandum mentioned) and expects her sister will reach the better position. That’s why if you read/watch LN/anime/manga, you will see Haruno tries to push Yukino with cold expression many times. It means that she already gave up in her own life and continues to be “the monster of reliance. That’s why she throws her all expectation to her sister instead. Because she already lost in her own life, and no one still doesn’t know about her despair.
  • I can say she wishes well for her sister, but she right now, doesn’t realize the way she pushes her that it is not good. Force someone to do something, although she loves Yukino, but she should support/comfort/help Yukino gently but surely, and no brutal force. I think I understand Haruno a bit, but I want you to understand about her too, it is not easy but it’s not too hard either. To understand why she forces Yukino to do this and that.
  • Haruno is scared of her mother and hates how she is using her. I see she hardly mentions about her father but she tells Hachiman and Yui that her mother is scary three times. I will assume why she feels like that to her mother. Because her mother manipulates and uses her the way she wants and would not try to ask Haruno about what she wants to live and do (see Oregairu analysis – the third memorandum for more info). Haruno hates how her family (or should I say, her mother (aka gund*m)) manipulates her to do as she pleases. When someone controls you continuously, you would try to avoid this matter (  1) keep distance from manipulator 2) stay close with people who she likes. 3) try to control people to do the way she wants.).

Yukinoshita Haruno, another loner and the symbol of sunset. (Oregairu opening)In order to escape from manipulation by her family, she prefers to be alone. (Zoom in her eyes for more understanding.)

  • Keep distance – What Haruno tries to keep distance from the one who force her. You can see why Haruno will always be alone, doesn’t want to go home (especially, in Opening theme of anime Zoku (you can see she watches the sunset alone), during doughnut shop period, and sometimes, tries so much to hang out with many characters in the story although it’s time to go home, such as in LN v11, when she invites Hiratsuka-sensei, Meguri and Hachiman to hang out during chocolate cooking lesson.
    (This is out of topic again but after Hiratsuka-sensei said she can’t drink alcohol with Haruno, Haruno feel dissatisfied but said she wants sensei to hang out with her next time because she has many things she wants to talk with her. I feel Hiratsuka-sensei can sense something wrong about Haruno after heard her words, so she looks at Haruno seriously and says that if she has something she wishes to tell her, she can entertain her anytime.
    After Haruno heard sensei’s words, her shoulders shake so slightly and there’s pale flame in her eyes. I don’t know why Haruno is so persistent to
    invite many people and even calls for her classmates to hang out with her (it seems like she wants to escape from someone.) but what I can say is sensei can sense Haruno has big problem(s), and this problem makes her doesn’t want to go home. So I will assume that her family would be the cause of this big problem(s), I don’t know what’s going on, but I am sure we will know if we read v12.)
  • Stay close with people she likes. – There’s three people in this list (Yukino (the only one who falls into the same situation and was controlled by the same person), Hachiman (the only one she is fond of) and Hiratsuka-sensei (the only one she considers as a “friend”)). You can see in many scenes when Haruno tries to visit her former school or other places where these three characters are (even tries to get Hachiman’s phone number since she has Yukino’s and Hiratsuka-sensei already.). Be with them is the peaceful moment for her and even makes her forget about the problem temporarily.
  • Try to control people to do the way she wants. – I don’t need to explain about this, right?
  • Another reason is Haruno never experience the right way to support someone before. I doubt that if her family doesn’t force her to do as they say, she would not force anyone and tries to support her younger sister in a strict way as well.
    I doubt that maybe Haruno’s mother would not never experience the good way to support her daughters either.

However, I don’t want to convince you that this character is bad, that character is worst. I never think they are absolutely good or bad (just like Hachiman said in anime ss1, during summer camp, that everyone is the same, normal and no one is more or less good.), they just don’t know what they have done. I don’t think their mother is bad at all. I think she, Haruno and Yukino are the same and are doing the same thing. They never question about themselves so it’s no way they will know, don’t know that the one they wish well is suffering until now.

Three snow mountain coffee. Different cups but the same taste.

Three snow mountain coffee. Different cups but the same taste.

I hope you will not be confused, but I will not be surprised if you are, because I’m starting to be like that while writing this. So you can read my text wall again, to more understanding. I know you can do it. I really hope three of them will start to consider other’s feeling in the future. They are three Americano for now (it’s not like I want to say Americano is not good, but it has the darkest color among coffees) but I’m sure they can transform to three warm Latte Art Heart.

…End of logic mode.

Maybe this is one of “her bitter truth”.

Haruno notices Hachiman is quiet, so she responses with her bitter smile that what she said earlier was just a joke.

When Haruno notices Hachiman is quiet, she, who gave him the title, monster of logic or monster of self-consciousness, realizes that right now he enters to his logic world and is analyzing her joke earlier. It seems her act (crying) can’t trick him. Moreover, her bitter smile made me think about her feeling.

  1. She doesn’t want him to know one of her bitter truth, that she doesn’t not has many friends, and end up worried about her.
  2. Maybe she thinks he can’t do anything about that anyway, so he doesn’t need to know that. Like I mentioned earlier that she would give up in her own life already.
  3. Or she doesn’t want his sympathy, to think she is pathetic one.
  4. Maybe all of them but I will bet 2 & 3.

How about you? What do you think about Haruno’s feeling after her bitter smile?

Maybe this words are what she always wants to hear.

Haruno tells him that she will not interfere so he doesn’t need to worry. Her words stops him to be a monster of logic so he responses immediately that

“Ah, sure. Do whatever you want.”

His words makes her blinks with surprise, but he thinks she doesn’t need to be surprised like that. If she comes to be a nuisance (or comes to destroy everything) during this double date, he would not mind because he can go home earlier.

  • Whatever Haruno is feeling right now. She wants him to stop analyzing her. So she returns to her operation again. And she adds more that she will not interfere. Yes, I can say she will observe from a distant because she wants to know why Hayato went that far to get Hachiman to tag along.
  • When Hachiman told Haruno to do whatever she wants, her expression made him think that she doesn’t need to be surprised like that. But I think her expression this time, can tell us her feeling or how she wants to do that. I mean, with Hachiman’s analysis earlier in LN, made I think that her loneliness + her expression after she heard his words, these factors can tell us important details about what she can’t obtain and what she wishes.

The one she can call “friend” and the way she wants to “live“.

They interpret in different way, and “pink heart” was pop out in her heart because of that.

After Haruno hears Hachiman’s answer, she is surprised but accepts his words and answers she will take him up on his offer.

… Just this? Yes, just this. You might wonder there are anything to analyze just this moment? If you ask me, yes, it has. If you read LN this ch already, you might remember Hachiman’s intention while he said like this. He hopes she will interfere and destroy this stupid double date so he can go home. That’s why he told her to do whatever she wants.

But after I read this ch many times, I finally understand why she is surprise in his simple words, that I thought before that her reaction is weird. Right now I will not analyze by focusing in Hachiman’s point of view but Haruno’s instead. You might wonder what’s wrong so much in her reaction. I will try to explain.

How about some heart waffle? Have some while read my sermon.

How about some heart waffle? Have some while read my sermon.

Haruno understands Hachiman very well since in my opinion, she is another monster of logic too but she can’t read his mind completely so she will not know what he thinks while he told her to do whatever she wants. But you remember he wonders why she has free time so much and asked her that maybe she doesn’t has many friends. She tried to act like a pity one but she noticed he is quiet in front of her (was sunk in his logic palace). So she realized he would be thinking about how she lived until now by using keywords from the conversations earlier.

I can imagine Haruno accepts his advice and I feel that she is glad and appreciate in Hachiman’s word as well. Because there is someone who really tried to understand about her (the real her who other people will not try to look), comfort/support/help her by giving some advice. But she doesn’t want him to find out her lonely life style (or her despair), because she is normal human, is not different from other people who will not need any sympathy.

That’s why Haruno gave Hachiman “bitter smile” and told him she was joking. This is the first wave he delivered to her. But the last wave from him is unexpecting for her. He answered to her to do whatever she wants. Can you imagine how she feels when she got this answer? She thought he tried to give her consolation. And yes, she misunderstood his real intention at the same time. He hopes she will destroy this date so he answered like that, but she thought he tried to cheer her up or gives her some advice. And yes again, no one will come out to you (and both of them) to reveal this. So please let me do it instead.

ps. This misunderstanding about this never was corrected after all.

…It seems “Harunon love points” for Hachiman is increasing, quietly but surely.

Banzai!! (Wrong pic.)

Conclusion

  1. When Hachiman asks Haruno why she comes to meet him at the cafe, she said she wants to know why Hayato wants Hachiman to come along so much. I said earlier in part 4 that Hayama is the one who wants Hachiman to join this double date, not Haruno.
  2. Hachiman is curious why she has a lot of time. She answers she is the college girl who has money and excellent grades! Hachiman wonders what Haruno normally does so he asks her if she doesn’t has many friends. Hearing that, she acts like she is going to break into tears and says he is the only who ever gives her the time. Hachiman is annoyed a bit with her acts but maybe the joke she gives him right now is not a joke. I suspect that she is trying to act as a joke so she can reflect him to not think like that to her. However, her acts made him wonder her fake reaction might reach him to “her true condition” until now.)
  3. With Haruno’s perfect appearances, it’s like magnet that pulls people around her so easily. I wrote “so easily” because most people didn’t have high mind resistant in their stats, to try to look at her carefully a bit, or even try to understand her. Many people who have perfect outer appearances might be proud for having this skill, but I don’t think Haruno is like that. We can see clearly when Haruno met Hachiman (or Hachiman’s group), she hardly was with other high school or college friends. So it means she always wants to be alone from those people. The reason she wants to be alone is, people around her had no intention to look at her true existence or tried to understand her but just want to see her perfect outer appearances only.
  4. Hachiman continues to think those (in 3) .) should be the reason why Haruno was so persistent with Yukino because her younger sister is near Haruno’s position.
    1. Maybe Haruno cares for Yukino and doesn’t want to lose her again, just like when she escapes from bitter past by studying abroad.
    2. Or because she is lonely when she still falls into the despair alone because of family.
    3. Or both.
  5. I explained how Haruno treats Yukino, how their family treats Haruno and Yukino, and how Yukino manipulates people around her step by step. Read the full information above as these topics below.
    1. Haruno’s manipulation
    2. Yukinoshita family’s manipulation
    3. Yukino’s manipulation
  6. I assumed that all three women in Yukinoshita family have manipulation skill because of the same reason. “Fear”.
    – Haruno manipulates Yukino and even other people with perfect mask, because she thinks those situation is not good for herself.
    – Haruno and Yukino’s mother manipulates her daughters because she wishes they will have good future. In other words, she feels comfortable because she can control the way of lives of Haruno and Yukino. If she doesn’t control her beloved daughers, she would be scared something bad will come to their lives. That’s why she controls them so they can have the good future.
    – Yukino are scared two manipulators who make her feel inferior (her mother and sister) so she uses manipulation skill to control environment around her, in order to comfort herself because she tries to run away from harsh world (those manipulators). The environment means people around her.
  7. The same thing about three women of Yukinoshita family is, they never question themselves about what they are doing. They don’t ask themselves if the problem is them. I assume that Haruno, Yukino and their mother would be raised in the same environment as well. Her mother might be raised by the same controllable environment. Her daughers’s case are not different. That’s how and why she and her daughters have manipulation skill. However, I never think they are villain at all. I agree with Hachiman that every humans are the same and normal. I think Haruno, Yukino and their mother are the same and are doing the same thing. They are facing the same fate but they just don’t know, don’t know that the one they wish well is suffering until now.
  8. Back to Haruno’s analysis again. Why is she so persistent to her sister?
    1. Maybe Haruno convinced herself that she can’t change her own situation, so she gives up and expects her sister will reach the better position. It means that she already gave up in her own life and continues to be “the monster of reliance” of her family.
    2. I can say she wishes well for her sister, but she right now, doesn’t realize the way she pushes her that it is not good. Force someone to do something.
    3. Haruno is scared of her mother and hates how she uses her. Because her mother manipulates and uses her the way she wants and would not try to ask Haruno about what she wants to live and do. Her mother is another reason why she tries to do these three things.
      1. Keep distance from the one who force her.
      2. Stay close with people who she really likes.
      3. Try to control people to do the way she wants.
  9. Haruno notices Hachiman is quiet, so she responses with her bitter smile that what she said earlier was just a joke. She realizes that right now he is analyzing her joke earlier. So she tries to stop him to do that by smile because…
    1. She doesn’t want him to know one of her bitter truth, that she doesn’t not has many friends, and end up worried about her.
    2. Maybe she thinks he can’t do anything about that anyway, so he doesn’t need to know that. Like I mentioned earlier that she would give up in her own life already.
    3. Or she doesn’t want his sympathy, to think she is pathetic one.
    4. Maybe all of them.
  10. When Hachiman responses to Haruno to do whatever she wants. His words makes her blinks with surpriseher expression made him think that she doesn’t need to be surprised like that. But I think her expression this time, can tell us her feeling or how she wants to do that. With Hachiman’s analysis earlier in LN, made I think that her loneliness + her expression after she heard his words, these factors can tell us important details about what she can’t obtain and what she wishes.
  11. Both of them interpret in different way, and “pink heart” was pop out in her heart because of that.
    • Hachiman tells Haruno to do whatever she wants, because he hopes she will interfere this double date so he can go home.
    • However, when Haruno listens to this speech, she misunderstands he tries to give her support because of her bitter truth I explained above. This can explain why she blinks with surprise. She never expect he will comfort and support her like this. I can imagine Haruno accepts his advice and I feel that she is glad and appreciate in Hachiman’s word as well. Because there is someone who really tried to understand about her (the real her who other people will not try to look), comfort/support/help her by giving some advice. But she doesn’t want him to find out her lonely life style (or her despair), because she is normal human, is not different from other people who will not need any sympathy. That’s why she says she will take him up on his offer. It means that she accepts his words.

Time Out

It looks like the time for this analysis is up, just like when Haruno tells Hachiman it’s time for double date while watching her wrist watch. She grins at him, waves her hand and sends him off. …It seems she wants to be detective (looks from her clothes in anime Zoku ep4). I will end the true meaning in minds of Haruno and Hachiman to this point and will continue her operation in the next part later.

Will the next part will be the last part or not?

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Operation Fire Doughnut List

I pasted this list so you can explore all parts of Haruno’s operation. Dozo!

Related Oregairu analysis you should not miss!

In v6, this is not about the manipulation but it’s very interesting. When Haruno is seeing her little sister as the replica of their mother.

While Haruno is talking with Hachiman, she doesn’t know she was used by Hayama to launch his own multidimensional plan.


After you read about manipulation in the post above, I recommend you this analysis. If you want to know Haruno’s feeling until now. I swear you will never know from anywhere before.

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13 thoughts on “Oregairu Analysis – And Then, Yukinoshita Haruno Launched Operation Fire Doughnut! (Part 5)

  1. Alisson says:

    Great analyzis as always.
    About the line that Hikigaya’s wrote on the end of LN Vol.1, I already know it, but he solely did it because of the situation on the service club.

    As for Vol.6, i think that Haruno only fanned the flames of Sagami to increase the overload of work to Yukinoshita, making her show her true form, the one that is weak and relies on others.

    I think that this is supported by the fact of how Yukinoshita acts and talks when Hikigaya and Yuigahama goes to visit her rented apartament when she is fatigued due to the overwork.

    Some lines of her talk show part of her weak-minded and dependant personality, this is further increased on the part of the Anime that her asks Haruno for help and get a strange response from her.

    I’m Hoping for Part 6.

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    • YahariBento says:

      For v6, your theory is interesting and reasonable. I can see your point of view about Haruno’s intention to show another view of Yukino.

      However, I suspect Haruno’s intention is she wants Yukino to sit in chairwoman position and drives Sagami away, or to degrade the overconfident Sagami into not important Sagami (how dare you bully my sister in front of me – Haruno didn’t say that).

      Why do I think like this?
      When Haruno knows that Sagami is slacking off with her friends in the class, instead hurries to the committee room and does her job. Haruno realizes Sagami is unsuitable to be chairwoman, and her slacking off will make Yukino works harder unnecessary but Sagami will get credit as the chairwoman. This is not fair in Haruno’s point of view, so she decides to downgrade Sagami and makes Yukinoshita to be the suitable position instead.

      About what Haruno fanned the flames of Sagami, I think she did that for Yukinoshita for sure. But her secret plan runs smoothly until it was destroyed by Hachiman. Can you remember when he talks about “people” word in the middle of the meeting? Haruno knows what he is doing so she laughs loudly until Hiratsuka-sensei stops her. Her laugh tells me that she can’t believe someone will destroy her plan directly and in front of her.
      Haruno says she’s ok with this (his plan). Because although he destroys her secret plan but the result will be better to her sister, any paths are fine to her.

      Actually, if Hachiman doesn’t stop Sagami’s policy (has fun with the class too) by pointing him as “the enemy” of all committee members, Haruno’s plan to downgrade Sagami, will be successful anyway. At least Hachiman and Haruno know s/he needs to do something to this stupid situation because of Sagami.

      I think I will do analysis about this v6 in more deep depth more than this, but it’s just a “what-to-do list” for now.

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  2. Alisson says:

    So, this is what i like in Oregairu, you never know the true intents of Wataru-Sensei.

    What you think Hayama is trying to say when he states that he made a misunderstanding in Vol.8 during the shopping dialogue with Hachiman, when he says that both of them never liked anything nor anyone?
    I think that this add points to your teory that Haruno is the “Y” that Hayama likes.
    He have made the same thing as Hikigaya, confessing to Haruno by a misunderstanding and got rejected probaly?
    I would like to know your opinion.
    Cheers.~

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    • YahariBento says:

      About Hayama’s dialogue back then is one of interesting clue & makes me plan to analyze about this in his point of view too.

      I think his reason to say something like that might be the same reason as Hachiman’s (after was rejected by Kaori and his doing becomes the gossip) or just to comfort himself or both.

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      • Alisson says:

        Thanks for the reply, also i think that your first memorandum person is wrong, as i have the most sure that the person in questions is Yukinoshita Haruno not Yukino, why i say this ?
        The Book No Longer Human tell this on it’s own summary :

        No Longer Human is told in the form of scraps left by a troubled man incapable of revealing his [true self to others], and who is instead forced to uphold a [facade] of hollow [jocularity].

        The only person that is Troubled, uses a Hollow Facade and is full of Joculariy is in true, Yukinoshita Haruno, not Yukino.

        The Second Memorandum is correct, as Hayato besides everything that happened, still see himself as a inferior complexed man in regards to how Hikigaya stole everything from him[even without knowing what Hikigaya’s stole, is he a god or something?], even Hikigaya being inferior in every aspect of his life.
        To this way Hayama will made everything on the verge of his strenght to make Hikigaya a equal person to him, eve throwing his pride of on the process, to accept Hachiman as a true winner of everything that was from him, ergo, Haruno, Yukino, Peace of Mind and self-consciousness.

        The Third memorandum is from Yukinoshita Yukino as she wonders what is a genuine thing to give to Hikigaya and [to herself trying to fulfill Hikigaya’s request] what is truly genuine, this probably leading to her being aware of her feelings toward him, as is seen on the end of vol.11.

        MAAAAN i want Wataru-sensei to come back to his work on Oregairu, finish it already sensei.

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        • YahariBento says:

          Thanks for long comment, I love when my readers devoted their time to write their thoughts in maximum! However, I hope you will write this comment in one of my posts about memorandum, because I want other readers have the chance to read your useful comment too. But never mind, I just want to let you know.

          It’s very interesting to read your thought about No longer Hum*n to find who should be that person. If you go deep depth in who can be the trouble who uses hollow facade because s/he can’t reveal the true self to others, and that person is Haruno, I think you are right.

          However, that person who has facade, is just not her only in my opinion. In Oregairu v10 (I will try to remember what is in v1-10, not 11, because the memorandums were written in v10), as I can remember, there are so many characters who can’t reveal his/her true self and have no choice but to hide themselves in facade.

          • Yukino – Her strong ice queen facade started to shattered during before the cultural festival, when Hachiman realized from Haruno that she knows about his car accident but pretended to not know.
          • Hayama (nice guy mask)
          • Haruno (perfect mask)
          • Hachiman – Pretend to not realize Yui’s feeling.
          • Yuigahama (nice girl mask)
          • Ebina (fujoshi outside)
          • Ishhiki (cute girl outside)

          When you mentioned about Hayama said he feel inferior to Hachiman because he steals everything from him, if you already read my analysis about “Y” + all parts of Haruno’s operation fire doughnut and plus with anime zoku ep 3-4, you will know what Hayama means about what Hachiman steals from him.

          For the third memorandum, if my memory is not wrong, Yukino wonders what Hachiman means about the genuine he announced. However, she is not the only one who wonders about what is truly genuine. This character wonders about it too and many times.

          Ah! I wrote about “hidden keywords” in each analysis about memorandums too. At first, I think this keyword in the first memo might be coincidence. However, when I found hidden keywords in 2nd and 3rd memorandums, I don’t think I’m wrong. Because it is more than coincidence to see those hidden keywords in every memorandums.

          • “New Year” is hidden keyword in 1st memo.
          • “Person is” hidden keyword in 2nd memo.

          (For more info, please read in each my memorandum analysis.)

          AHHHH! I really hope Watari-sensei will finish v12 and reveals us who are owners of each memorandums!!

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  3. 6man says:

    Amazing analysis! It really gave me a new perspective into the character of Haruno, so thank you for this!

    I hope they’ll be more soon! :)

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  4. Cud says:

    The way i thought about the relationship between Haruno and 8man is like this:
    1) Yukinoshita Haruno loves her little sister very much but can’t get close to her since Yukino hates her.
    2) She thought of people she could use to learn more about Yukino, these are the option:
    – She could ask her former teacher Shizuka, but since she has her own responsibility (being a teacher and all) plus Shizuka has a certain amount of understanding of Haruno’s nature it would be quite hard to manipulates her.
    – Hayama is out of the question, beside in situation like in the doughnut shop where she use his feeling toward Haruno (assuming your theory was right) to use him as a scapegoat and as a subject to her revenge, it’s impossible for her to fully control him since as you’ve said he’s intelligent, so much so that he will foil Haruno’s operation. Hayama also has a certain amount of understanding of Haruno’s nature so he could use it against her. Finally, since Yukino also hates him for the incident during their childhood, Hayama is unable to get too close to her, rendering him useless to Haruno’s desire.
    – Haruno could also use Yuigahama but she has limited amount of control toward her. 1st, Yui’s a girl so Haruno’s appearance won’t be effective against her. Also, Yuigahama has a certain degree of interpersonal skill (thanks to that she becomes kind of a pacifier in Hayato’s clique) so she’s also a liability toward Haruno.
    3) But out of nowhere, the final component in her plan-the 8man himself-arrived right beside Haruno’s sweet little sister. After studying him for a while she deems him to be what she was looking for:
    – 8man-imo-is as smart as Hayato. This is a liability as he can figures out Haruno’s true color but also is an advantage as his intelligence allows her to ask him things without giving away too much information, allows her to keep her little secret.
    – He knows the three people i’ve previously mention and possibly what they think and feels about him (Shizuka cares about the boy and acts sort of like a mother figure, Hayato hates 8man but still holds respect toward him,
    Yuigahama’s crush on 8man) so she can use those relationship to ask 8man to make them gives out what they know regarding her sister (Shizuka’s observation of her student, Hayato’s observation + his childhood experience, Yui being bff to Yukino is a big plus!).
    – She can also use her appeal onto him :)
    At least that’s what she thought initially as she becomes really fond of him. However i disagree that this would mean she’s romantically interest in him:
    1) In the OreGairu zoku anime where the service club and Hayato’s clique went to the theme park, Yukino did reveal that other people thought of her as a nice and quiet girl (and i don’t think that she becomes like that after the incident as she didn’t specify the time, therefore i’m assuming she has been like that). The reason i stated that fact is because at first i think Haruno believed that Yukino is happy with Hayato, therefore support their relationship initially..
    2) But after the incident, she learned that Hayato was unable to save her sister from the bullies, forcing her to study abroad and separating the 2 sisters apart. She grows to hate Hayato and became disillusioned until she met 8man.
    3) After learning about 8man she knew he’ve had harsh experience regarding people therefor it’s unlikely that she would do something like the previous incident (base on the fact that 8man has many time used himself as a scapegoat so that the people who was actually responsible don’t feel the result of their action) but Haruno’s harsh experience told her to thoroughly test him to see if he’s capable of making her sister happy.
    –>In conclusion: Haruno puts Hachiman in the position that was used to be Hayato’s (therefore explain why Hayato thinks Hachiman took everything away from him) therefore she treats 8man affectionately like a BIG SISTER- more so than Hayato- as she implies it quite often (onne-san this onne-san that). She put a lot of trust in this kid to gain back her little sister’s love back to her and if Haruno were to actually falls for 8man it would put a strain in their relationship and Haruno-i think- loves her sister to the point she will try her damndest to avoid it. This would also explain why she constantly try to pair Yukino and 8man.
    p.s. this is quite long so i appreciate if anyone take the time to read it. And remember, IT’S JUST A THEORY! A THEORY ABOUT AN EXTREMELY DEVIOUS WOMAN!

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    • YahariBento ( ^ v ') says:

      >>2) She thought of people she could use to learn more about Yukino
      I agree with you that Haruno loves her sister but she can’t get close to her. But I still doubt Haruno is the type who will use manipulation to all people who she doesn’t hate. For the one she hates, she will manipulate (such as Sagami (Hayama is like taboo in Haruno’s thought because the bitter past he did to her sister, so there’s no way she will use forbidden being who ever hurt her sister before, to save the same person again)), I agree with your assumption. But when she tries to save Yukino, I notice she is trying her best to make that happen. I see she needs some valuable info from people around Yukino so she will know what to do to save Yukino. And it’s not manipulations. I see she tries to be villain in some occasions so her sister will has important position/role. Actually, I can see a tiny and shining piece when she is talking with Hachiman and Yuigahama during firework festival. I plan to write about that moment so my readers will know her intention toward her sister. However, about your theory is very interesting that makes me try to think so I can response your reply properly.

      In 3) It seems there’re many things we have different opinions but that’s why I like to read comments from readers. However, I agree with you again that Haruno just want Yukino back again like they are in the past. But I will add more that so Haruno will not be alone too. She deserves big reward.

      About Haruno’s characteristic, author is trying his best to make readers (even me) to believe she is scary and manipulate type/devilish by telling about this info from 8man’s monologues. Actually, “over effort” from author, makes me suspect why he do something like that, since in sometimes, I don’t see why 8man must be terrified toward Haruno that much just because he can’t understand her or can’t read her. But I will leave about this for now because the one who can make my curious feeling clear, is the author only.

      ps. Thanks for long reply, I didn’t read good theory for a while. I hope you will write your thoughts again after read my other works, @Cud. :3

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