Oregairu Analysis – And Then, Yukinoshita Haruno Launched Operation Fire Doughnut! (Part 3)

Continue from part 2, Orimoto Kaori (折本 かおり) announced that Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡) confessed his feeling to her once. Her friend and Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) were excited and chatted about this hot topic. Hachiman froze but responded that this happened a long time ago. Orimoto agreed with him and commented that this doesn’t really matter. However, who will know that a chest monster in Haruno’s heart is running rampage in maximum power and its target is a certain curly-haired girl in front of it.

This oregairu analysis was divided to parts. You would be confused about my conclusion above if you didn’t read part 1 & 2 before so please read them first (I did “Operation Fire Doughnut list” below of this post for you.). If you read 1 and 2 already, welcome to part 3!

ps.

  • Please read Attention page first, to let you understand that my all analysis are not 100% right.
  • Spoiler up ahead. And I recommend you to read/watch Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. (やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。), Oregairu (俺ガイル) LN/anime Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku (やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続)/manga Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabu Kome wa Machigatteiru. -Monologue- (やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。-妄言録-) before proceed.

 

In this part, after Haruno was burnt by “triple combo attack” by Orimoto, she decided Orimoto is her l*** rival who should be elimi**** immediately. Moreover if what Orimoto said is true, it means Hachiman might still has feelings to her (he was the one who confessed to Orimoto, right?).

If he still loves her even if he was rejected?

Operation Fire Doughnut,
Master Donut, Chiba Perfecture, Tokyo,
Evening with the setting sun,
LN v8, Anime Zoku ep 3-4, Manga -Monologue- vol 7

Even Haruno is utterly mystified.

I assume Haruno right now would be jealous and confused too because there’re many questions that she wants to confirm. I saw Haruno is jealous when she met Hachiman and Yuigahama Yui during firework festival (anime ss1 ep 9) but she confirmed silently from their reactions that that is not a date. However, this time is different, her jealous feeling is another level compares to that time. So what should she do?

Hayama Hayato: Her savior

Orimoto asks Hachiman that he knows about Hayama-kun or not. She said her friend wants to meet him. However, Hachiman can’t do that so he refuses. After that, he hears Haruno’s whisper who is blending into the background. She whispers that this might be interesting. He is confused and turns to her, her eyes lit up with a suspicious glow

Haruno is blending to the background so she can observe Orimoto and Hachiman and she is thinking what she should do about Orimoto but she is still utterly mystified. However, it seems she has high Luck points so heaven (Watari-sensei) grants Haruno’s wish instantly. She hears Orimoto says her friend wants to see Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人)!

After Haruno heard from Orimoto that her friend wants to meet Hayama, her genius brain works like supercomputer. I notice from her whisper and says this might be interesting. Yes. It must be interesting for her! I suspect she will use Hayama to eliminate Orimoto, the one who burnt her heart three times and might be her l*** rival.

Now she can plan her secret operation quietly and secretly. My assumption comes from when I saw Haruno’s body language again (her eyes). Suspicious glow in her eyes told me that. I guess she would be glad that Hayato will solve her problem right now effectively.

Agility & Defence are her advantages!

Haruno suddenly raises her hand and announces she will introduce Orimoto’s friend to Hayato. Hachiman and Orimoto are wondering what she was saying so suddenly.

Let Onee-san introduces him to you.

Haruno takes out her cellphone so quickly and calls to Hayato. After 3 rings, she tells him to come now and says what she wants to say and hung up quickly. Hachiman asks her what she is doing but she just send him a big bright smile. After he saw her expression, he thinks she is enjoying too much.

I read comments in many sites about why Haruno went through the trouble to call Hayato and introduce Orimoto’s friend to him. Hachiman and some people comment that she just is having way too much fun and I too, thought the same. Yeah, why not? I am confused why she did this and I should agree with Hachiman’s comment, don’t I?

Agility

Summon hero via smartphone!

However, right now I don’t think she will do everything and so quickly just for fun. She heard Orimoto’s friend wants to see Hayato and Haruno knew he can solve her unease feeling (or should I say, wipe out her unease feeling, (or should I say again, destroy this problem)). He is her only chance so that’s why she took out her cellphone and summoned him with speed of light. She did this and that so quickly because the chance will vanish soon if she didn’t hurry. (??)

If you read my assumption earlier, you will know why Haruno volunteers to call Hayama for Orimoto’s friend. She didn’t do this because she is sociable, or she just know Hayama, or she just does it to have fun. She calls him for her own self-satisfaction (blow Orimoto away, away from her and Hachiman).

When I wrote Haruno’s chance will vanish soon if she didn’t hurry. I have my own reasons. I guess that time is evening and Haruno would calculate what Hayato is doing right now and where he should be. Like Orimoto said, he is in soccer club so daily training during after school is necessary. Haruno would know his schedule too so she knows she need to call him as fast as possible, or else he would go back home and her chance will disappear like that if she doesn’t summon him right here and now. Her agility is so high so it’s not problem~

How can I miss this chance?

Defence

After Haruno’s agility works well, next is her defence. After she called Hayama, she knows everyone around her are confused what she is doing, and one of them is Hachiman. I can see he doesn’t understand why she needs to call Hayama. So in order to hide her objective, her cheerful mask was activated again or should I say, Anti-spyware software! with her bright mask, it can hide her true intention, just like anti-spyware deletes all spywares in one click. I can’t underestimate her defence at all.

Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) will not tell Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡). (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU TOO! やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。續 Ep 3)

Her defence is maximum!

The one and only secret agent of Haruno

I need you, Hayato. Just come.

After Haruno called Hayama, she and everyone wait for him to come. Later, she hears somebody is climbing up the stairs in the store. She twists her body and looks at the direction of stairs. It’s really Hayama!

It seems Hayama is like her loyal subordinate because…

  • she didn’t explain why she needs him to come so badly
  • she didn’t tell him she has some urgent business and needs help from him
  • and her tones didn’t tell this is emergency.

Haruno can summon Hayama to come to doughnut shop although he should be tired from club activities. It’s like he is another ultra rare card. Haruno didn’t call him to has some fun or wants to mess up but Hayama will be the her secret agent who will complete the mission for her.

If Hayama comes to this shop as Haruno’s command (and she is confident she can use him 100%), the possibility her operation fire doughnut will be accomplished so easily (If he didn’t betray her later…) because as we read and watched, he came as she wants, so it means he will do whatever she orders.

To tell you the truth, I’m the one who surprised about Hayama. I mean, he hurried to doughnut shop as Haruno’s command although she didn’t tell she has any urgent business and he would be tired from his club activities. If I am Hayama, I might not go to the shop or if I need to go because the one who calls me is like my Onee-san, I would not hurry like he did. So that’s why I suspect about “Y” of Hayama and finished analysis about this. And in the future, I might write long analysis about Hayama in his point of view during this doughnut shop period too.

Send soldier out on mission.

Haruno spreads her hands to Orimoto and her friend and tells Hayama that they want to be introduced to him.  After that, they begins to chat together (except Hachiman). Orimoto and Nakasomething suggest to go have some fun somewhere. Haruno crosses her arms and supports their ideas in a serious manner. She says they all should go have fun. After Orimoto and her friend heard Haruno supported them, they are more excited and discusses suitable places for them to have some fun.

How about this?

How about this?

OK. Haruno knows Hayato will never refuse any expectations. So she lets her soldier and two girls meet and chat. Haruno knew two girls want to meet him and want to go have fun together. So when Orimoto and Nakasomething suggest to have some fun, we see Haruno supports this idea seriously. If you read my assumption earlier, you will know she doesn’t intend to support their idea for their sake. She supports their idea for her own operation. I can say she will use Hayama to launch her own operation via this “have fun together”. So I suspect Haruno knows from the beginning that those girls will have idea to have fun together with Hayama. So if she calls him to come as Nakasomething’s request, she is sure he has no choice but go with them.

Note: When Haruno said they all should go have fun. Hachiman is worried a little he should not go together with them. He should not worried because Haruno didn’t intend to include him to this group from the beginning. She wants Hayato, Nakasomething and Orimoto to have fun somewhere… (or should I say, she wants to blow Orimoto away from her and Hachiman by sacrificing Hayama.). However, You will know more why he ends up to be the part of double date in part 4. I can say for now it’s not her intention to include him. It’s Hayama who wants him to go double date with him.

Dispel darkness away.

Haruno: I will have 5 donuts!     Hayato: Me too.     Hachiman: …How can they eat that much?

And then, it’s time to leave. Orimoto an Nakasomething say goodbye and leave from the shop. After two girls disappeared completely,.. Haruno was glared… by Hayato, he asks her why she did something like that. She answers with smiled without a hint of shyness that It looked like it’d be fun. Hayato sighs after saw her expression.

It seems Hayato is upset that Haruno is the one who pulled him to fall in difficult situation like this. Finally, her plan process is smoother more than she think but Hayato’s mood is not good for her operation so she needs to dispel his negative emotions with brimming smile! Even Hayato can’t do anything after his whole body was bathed by her powerful dispel magic. Ohhhhhhhhh! (it’s his voice not my voice.)

And please don’t believe in Haruno’s words. When she says it look like it’d be fun, it means no any fun in her head. She just bring Hayama to be the sacrifice in order to blow Orimoto away.

Damn it! …How can I resist this smile?

Nameless, trap word and avoid Hachiman’s skill.

Hayato asks Haruno again why Hachiman is here. She tells him “the girl one with the perm” was someone Hachiman liked a long time ago. She wonders how her sister will feel if she knows about this. Moreover, she asks this question to Hachiman instead and sends him a smile.

I’m just interested, nothing more than that!

Just a few speeches of her made me wonder many things. So I highlighted three suspicious texts above. Let’s see why…

Nameless

The first thing I want you to notice. Haruno is the one who shows her unfriendly attitude via calling names.

Yuigahama’s case

You can see when Haruno calls Yui’s name, she changed Yui’s name as “Gahama-chan”. She can call other people’s name correctly. (such as Komachi, Hiratsuka-sensei, Hachiman, Meguri and Iroha). But in case of Yuigahama, she just cut “Yui” from her surname. I don’t know I’m right or not, but this is Haruno’s way to deny a girl who named “Yui”. She doesn’t even want to call this girl’s name. And I don’t know Yuigahama knows about this or not, but I think I can see her feels unease a bit when Haruno is in front of her.

Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) is upsets because "an unknown girl" drags Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡) from her. (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 anime ep 8)Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃)'s jealous feeling is double. (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 ep 9)

The reason she intended to change Yui’s name, I guess because when she saw Yui for the first time (LN v4, anime ss1 ep 8, manga monologue v4), I will not say about this much but she suspects Yui might has feeling toward Hachiman (or should I say, she might be her l*** rival. And in v5, Haruno’s feeling toward Yui is the same. You can proceed from these two pictures so you will know about this secret but understanding feeling of Haruno. (the first picture link what happened in LN v4, the second is LN v5).

Sagami’s case

For Sagami Minami‘s case, Haruno’s unfriendly attitude is in upper level. She avoided to call her correct name and is sarcastic to Sagami as well. (Somethinggami-chan, Amagami and Chairwoman-chan)

Eh? Really?

 Orimoto’s case

For Orimoto’s case, it’s the different level more than Yui’s and Sagami’s cases. Haruno had no intention to call her name at all. When she said the girl one with the perm” was someone Hachiman liked a long time ago. She should say “Orimoto” too but she never did that and she never call her name once. Maybe this is just my imagination but when I saw Yui and Sagami’s cases, I don’t think she didn’t call Orimoto’s name because she has no any chance to call her name. If you already read my operation fire doughnut analysis part 2, you would realize why Haruno refuses to call Orimoto’s name.

Trap word again?

Haruno used her trap word “Yukino-chan” again. (If you don’t understand about trap word, you can read part 1 for more info.) She uses Yukino as another question so she can deflect Hachiman to review about this question instead and if he wastes time to review about Yukino’s feeling, she can avoid Hachiman’s interest to find her own objective why she called Hayato and supported two girls to have some fun together with Hayato. Actually, when I reviewed why Haruno calls Hayama over and over, I can’t see why Yukino involves with this after all. So I can assume that Haruno just brings “Yukino-chan” up to hide her true intention.

…It seems Haruno didn’t underestimate Hachiman’s human observation skill but I am the one who will never underestimate her problem solving skill either.

Avoid Hachiman’s skill

Like I wrote earlier, I guess Haruno wants to avoid Hachiman’s skill because she doesn’t want him to know her true intention. For more effectively, she asked “Yukino’s feeling” to Hachiman and sent him a smile  instead. Moreover, she doesn’t want to tell Hayama why she did something like this directly either.

Encourage soldier before proceeds to red zone.

Haruno stands and taps Hayato on the shoulders.  She says…

“Well, anyway, why don’t you go hang out with them? It might actually turn out to be pretty fun and go well for you.”

Maybe you don’t know yet, but this is the important moment of Hayato and Haruno (surely Hachiman didn’t know about the true meaning of Haruno’s remark). The true meaning of this remark of Haruno is…

She rejected Hayato indirectly but surely.

You might believe me, and that is understandable. But his reaction tells me how he is feeling after she said like that. After she spoke, his shoulders drop. He tries to refuse but she takes his words lightly. Although I wrote earlier that she didn’t tell why she did this to Hayama, her remark this time tell him everything. I am sure that she knows he has feeling for her, but she invited him to group him and those girls sticky with date group.

Haruno suggests Hayato to go hang out with two girls, she think he might has fun with them too and she means one of girls might be his girlfriend as well. Maybe this is her goodwill but I don’t think she wishes him well. Haruno sent him to go hang out with two unknown girls.

If my two oregairu analysis about the person who Haruno gazes into and “Y” in Hayato’s heart is collect, she would know Hayato’s feeling for “Y” but doesn’t consider his feeling at all. She already has the one who she will look for and is not pleased if the one she hates, is the one who has feeling for her, so she matched Hayato with two girls so they can have fun together and leave her and the one she is fond of alone.

…Hayato, she will never forget your sacrifice. (Salute!)

Moreover, I think after Hayama listens to Haruno’s answer why she calls him and supports those girls, he is smart enough to know why she did this. I assume that when she tells him that…

“the girl one with the perm” was someone Hachiman liked a long time ago.”

Hayama feels depressed after heard Haruno’s answer, because he finally know why she lures him to this doughnut cafe. I hope I have free time to write analysis about this (in his point of view). He knows immediately that she will use him as the sacrifice to blow Orimoto (the girl who has connection with Hachiman (the one Haruno is fond of.)) away. If you read my Oregairu analysis – And then, Yukinoshita Haruno Launched Operation Fire Doughnut (Part 2), you would know her feeling toward Orimoto. So eliminating a boy who she hates by using the girl who she hates, will make her satisfy.

I can feel that Haruno doesn’t care about Hayato (look from her reaction when they saw each other again in the School Cultural Festival in LN v6). And this time too, she doesn’t listen to him when he is trying to say it’s no way, I notice she has no any intention to consider his feeling at all. And when I look at her plan to set up this date, I assume that she would plan this from Hayato and Yukino’s direct experience. Why do I think like this? I have two assumptions for you to consider. I know one of them will be right, and I feel one of my assumption is too realistic, but when I the author reveal everything, I hope he will reveal her intention to group Hayato and two girls to have fun although she knows his feeling toward her.

What is Haruno aiming for this date group (If I set bar so high).

If I set the bar so high, I will think that Haruno expects Hayato to see the calamity in the future, after she rejected him here. And she expects Orimoto to get more problem soon.

Haruno plans to burn Hayato and those girls (especially him and Orimoto) by set this trap in the double date. And do you still remember Yukino got bullied by other elementary girls and she ended up hate Hayato. She and him would not be couple (elementary) but it is not surprising if they are close friends, and other girls can’t stand that scene (those two are too close) so Yukino is their targets.

I don’t know what really happened back then, but the result is Yukino hates Hayato and went to study abroad. Haruno, who cares for her sister, can’t accept this. And I am sure she would know what happened in this tragedy from Yukino or Hayato (I bet Hayato because Yukino would not tell her, and if Hayato can’t refuse Onee-san’s command, he would tell). So when I see her hatred (look from this scene in LN v8), I can feel she hates Hayato so much, from the bottom of her heart. And I think she has her own reason to hate someone. Because why does she hate him if he doesn’t do anything wrong, does she? So when I look from her operation to burn him and those girls with the date, I think she wishes him to fall hell because of “girls and the gang”, the similar tragedy that ever happened to her sister.

Orimoto Kaori & Nakamachi Chika show clothes they choose to Hayama Hayato. (Oregairu Zoku ep4)

Like this (no Hachiman in this group), people who saw them, can misunderstand and cause rumor.

If Hayato goes to date with other girls, other students in Zobu will see them (such as Miura, Ebina, Tobe and Isshiki). He and those girls will get trouble if this will cause the rumor in their school. Not only Zobu but Orimoto’s school too (I forgot its name).

What might happen to Orimoto and Nakasomething.
  1. Other girls and the gang who are super jealous might set bulling game to Orimoto and Nakasomething.
  2. Or the “threesome” rumor will spread in both schools, I know Orimoto and co. just want to go have fun and have no any intention to be threesome. But from other people’s point of view, they can misunderstood and makes gossip worse. When people gossip about the rumor, the rumor can change into the worse rumor. They can’t ask those girls directly, but nothing will stop them from gossip. Threesome is not a topic that can say out loud proudly (especially, woman) because it’s disgusting in social. So if Orimoto and Nakasomething are the topic of this threesome, can you imagine they can endure this? Maybe they can, but ultra rare rumor like this is the full course for every students (and even teachers.). I doubt they can endure it.
  3. If 2) happens, Orimoto and Nakasomething will get more trouble because teacher will call them to ask what really happened. Although they might try to explain to teachers, how can they prove this?
  4. If 1) & 2) don’t happen, 3) might not happen either. But I am sure the normal rumor will make Orimoto and Nakasomething get trouble. It’s up to social’s mercy.

If this bullying game or the threesome rumor happens, “Haruno’s love rival” and the one who looks down on Hikigaya-kun, will be burn to ash.

What might happen to Hayato.

Since Hayato went to have fun with two girls, “the threesome rumor” might happen in Zobu (I’m not sure the rumor will be bad like this or not, but he can’t avoid the rumor since some people saw them are so close together.). But since he is the most popular guy, some people might be surprised but amazing in what he did. However, this ultra rare rumor will spread quickly. It will not be surprised if every students and teachers will be interested. That perfect boy plays threesome with other girls. It’s up to social who will design the rumor to be normal or worse.

If the rumor happens, the peaceful life of Hayato will end. His AT-field (Miura) would not stand this (since she and Ebina saw them) and his clique will be separate for sure.

So what’s next is when he is not covered by AT-field, almost every girls will think they too, can have the chance to be close to him (just like when some girls tries to confess love to him although he can Yukino become the rumor.). Some girls might think he and those girls might be not not threesome and the good news that Orimoto and Nakasomething are students from other school, so they should have better chance to win his heart. The Hayato war begins!! I don’t know threesome rumor will happen for real or not, but the rumor will happen for sure. So almost every girls will participate in this war to win this handsome boy’s heart. And he can’t expect AT-field from Miura. Everyday in school can be nightmare for him.

That’s not enough. If Tobe, Yamato and Ooka were not considered by girls because they want Hayato only, do you think what will happen next. Those trio will feel jealous/inferior and abandon him in the end (similar what Haruno told Hachiman and Yui about Yukino’s friend abandoned her).

He will be “the popular loner” for real, and that position is what he is scared the most. He tries to be nice so everyone will not harm him but with Haruno’s operation, that tragedy would be possible.

This is the origin of Haruno’s ultimate noble pha magic, Fire Tornado. (since her name means the sun, maybe she has fire element.)

Operation Fire Doughnut completed.

And please don’t forget if Hayato, Orimoto and Nakasomething are burnt into ash, who will gain this? Haruno launches this operation so they will be disappear from her and Hachiman’s sight.

  • Hayato (the one who she hates from the bottom of her heart & the love rival to Hachiman)
  • Orimoto (Haruno’s love rival who looked down on him and their relationship)
  • Nakasomething (is not her direct target but ever looked down on Hachiman too)

Can you imagine who will be remained in this operation?

It seems Haruno uses the disaster that happened to Yukino to set big trap to Hayato and co. If my assumption is not wrong, I feel she can’t forgive him because of that bullying, so when after she heard Orimoto’s friend want to meet him, she grasps this gold chance immediately (you can say she is waiting for this for long time). And one of reasons to set this trap is to revenge for her sister by setting the similar scene that he is scared the most. I don’t know how he did something wrong to make Haruno hates him so much like this, but I read LN v10 and she says she, Yukino and him are close and went have fun together. And when Yukino and Hayato are grown enough to go to the Ferris wheel, I think they should be elementary kids (not kindergarten, as if Haruno (elementary kid) can take care two kindergarten kids.).

So I can assume more that their happy time ended in elementary period too. And the only incident that was told in LN, is this bullying only, so it would not be wrong if I will use bullying incident as reference. Because there are no any clue in LN tells me that they are still close in middle school either. So it means the close relationship between her, Yukino and Hayato end before middle school period (Maybe that’s why he focuses on soccer, because he will…).

…Ah! Sorry if it’s out of topic, but I expand this assumption too much. So let’s return to the topic. I want to say Haruno’s hatred to Hayato would because of Yukino’s bullying. She is throwing her own hatred to him, who would do something wrong in some way.

What is Haruno aiming for this date group (If I set bar lower). (New!)

Above is the worst circumstance Hayato will face in the future if he goes to the group date with those girls. But it’s still too realistic to happen at the same time, because if you already read LN v8 or anime Zoku ep 4, manga -Monologue- v8, whatever that she is aiming, didn’t come true already. So her intention for this date group is still mysterious. However, if I rethink that

  • If her hatred to burn Hayato is not the calamity like I mentioned above, but just let him know her feeling toward him instead only?
  • If she didn’t expect Orimoto to get more trouble because of the rumor I mentioned, but for something that is easy to understand and nothing much?

I will say that her hatred toward him because of the certain incident that her sister suffered because he didn’t help her, during late elementary school period is something that I must consider why she hates him so much. Because it’s no way she will hate him without any reason, hate him because she just want to hate him is not something I will agree. If she who took care of him since childhood and she seems like him as Onee-chan and little brother, but changed her mind and hates him instead, there is must be a incident that made her can’t like him anymore, and that incident must happen in the past. And the incident that Haruno, Hayato and Yukino ever said, is the only one (I think you know what that incident is).

The result Haruno wants.

So to this point, Haruno who hates Orimoto because she was the one who Hachiman confessed his feeling, heard from her that her friends wants to meet Hayato, the one who she hates the most, the hatred feeling in her mind because of what Orimoto said proudly previously (you would know what I mean) drives her to call him to come as Orimoto’s friend wishes. And she just stick them together so they can “have fun”, so they will get away from her and Hachiman. Prepare the yacht for them and say goodbye to them to be happy together.

When Hayato asked her why she did this, she answered indirectly because she used word trap “Yukino-chan” to block Hachiman to understand and to acts happily to Hayama so he will not be angry to her, but her answer still contains the hint that made him feels gloomy (because Orimoto is the one who Hachiman ever confessed to, so she decided to stick that girl with Hayato so they will go away from her and Hachiman). Her doing to get rid of her love rival is understandable and will make her satisfy. I assume that she did this to revenge for her sister at the same time, because what he did during that incident is not what she can forgive him to just watch her sister suffer and didn’t do anything to save her, she took care of him and no wonder that she thought he will be good friend of Yukino, but her expectation was destroyed when the crisis happened.

What will happen to Orimoto?

If I set the bar lower, I think Haruno wants to get rid of her love rival to make her satisfied only. So whatever that might happen to Orimoto if she and her friends have fun with Hayato, is not what Haruno will calculate anymore.

What will happen to Hayato?

If I set the bar lower, I explained how he is feeling after she rejected him there already. So I will let you imagine how he is feeling if the person he has feeling for, rejected him and doesn’t care who he “will have fun” with. Of course the nightmare he will meet in the future if he will go with those girls is still possible since he is the popular guy who never has fun with other girls before. But I don’t know Haruno is expecting him to have more problem after he needs to have fun or not, but it’s possible that she just wants to get rid of him along with girl she hates only.

ps. If you didn’t read LN v8 yet, it’s no way you can see the scene when Haruno rejects Hayato. The scene in manga -Monolouge- was cut but some scene is still remained. In anime Zoku ep3, there’re no the scenes about this.

The one who she is fond of?

Look at her sight.

Haruno watches her silver wrist watch and announces it’s time to leave. She collects her belongings as she says with high speed. She shuffles over to Hachiman and whispers, thank you for hanging out with her, in his ear secretly.

Hikigaya-kun, thanks for hanging out with me~

He can’t stand because his ears are sensitive so he takes 2-3 steps back from her, at that moment, she dashes to the stairs quickly. She turns her head and waves her hands to his direction.

…It seems the way Haruno reacts to Hachiman and Hayato are totally different. You can see clearly how different when she treats Hachiman, compare with how she treats Hayama. With this operation, she throws Hayama away along with Orimoto, while she keeps Hachiman for herself (look two images above for see my assumption clearly.).

Yukinoshita Haruno attacks Hikigaya Hachiman with her finger. (Oregairu ep6)

Ne?


Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃), the guardian of Yukinoshita Yukino (雪ノ下 雪乃). (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 anime ep 10)But this is not the first time Haruno showed how different she treats between Hachiman and Hayama. If you ask me about the first time she showed her feeling toward these boys, that time is the School Cultural Festival period. That scene didn’t show in anime and manga -Monologue- so if you see those mediums only, you will not find this interesting scene of these three characters. If you want to see this scene, you can explore in LN v6, but if you already read but still don’t get it, I recommend this Oregairu Analysis – “After” Yukinoshita Haruno Decides to Help Yukino. (The First Part). I hear thunder near the planning committee room.


When she stands up to leave from the shop, I suspect she looks at Hachiman because he is her accomplishment. Why do I think like this? Because with my analysis from part 1-until now, I can say she launched her operation in order to eliminate Orimoto (her rival) and Hayama (who loves her but she hates from the bottom of her heart) away so no one can interfere her and Hachiman, so she can drive Hayama from her, and this is her hidden message to Hayama that she rejects him by using other girls to take him away. I admit it’s totally coincidence that Nakasomething wants to meet Hayama. Haruno wants to blow Orimoto away, but when Nakasomething wants to meet Hayama, she can plan complex operation to send both of them away to the faraway island.

Haruno sacrifices Hayama because he has feeling for her but she doesn’t care after all. Moreover, I suspect her hatred toward Hayama, has some connection with what happened to Yukino in the past, so she hates him to let her sister feels despair that time and study abroad in order to run away from her and that bad environment. So this time, Haruno summons him and to blow her l*** rival along with him away.

Don’t worry, Hachiman. Haruno doesn’t mean you when she asks to let her know any progress. He thought she asks info from him but don’t forget there’s another person who is near him too.

Her goodbye tells how much hatred she has toward him.

Haruno says to Hachiman’s direction if there is any progress, let her know too. Hachiman thinks she was talking to him but he doesn’t think he will go with them. However, he still nod to Haruno as she leaves.

When she says this, I suspect she doesn’t say to Hachiman but since she doesn’t call Hachimna or Hayato’s name, it makes Hachiman misunderstands she says to him. So I assume that she says this to Hayato.

I assume that Haruno understands the being of Hayato very well. So she knows he is the nice guy who can’t refuse people’s expectations. It means he is indecisive and scared to oppose other people’s idea. That’s why although she doesn’t follow the progress of her own operation, she would know he will end up go have fun with those girls anyway.

And I suspect Haruno is so sarcastic to Hayato until the last minute. Don’t forget she stabs him the two despairs ( 1) when he knows she sets trap. 2) when she gives him sarcastic encouragement.), or should I say “Fire Dagger” since she would has fire element. This time, she doesn’t forget to stab the last Fire Dagger to him by says goodbye like that. Because I think she is so smart enough to know nothing will happen to him, but she just says this to be sarcastic to him in the last minute. OK. I got it. I got how much her hatred toward him.

ps. And still, Hachiman doesn’t know Hayato got stab three times by Haruno’s fire daggers.

So what’s on Hayato’s mind?

If you read to this point, you might be curious my assumptions is for real. I can understand if you wonder, so I wrote the truths behind Hayama Hayato’s sacrifice for Hachiman (part 1). In this part 1 will start when Hayato receive call from Haruno to come to the doughnut cafe. You can find out his thoughts & feelings when he got this call until he tells Hachiman about her after she leaved the cafe. I hope this two analysis might help you reach the truth. Or if you are not sure about this, I recommend you to read Oregairu LN v8.

Conclusion of Part 3

The purposes of operation fire doughnut

The purposes are based on Haruno’s desire. Moreover, quote from Hayato after Haruno left from doughnut shop can give us some valuable hints. He said…

…Why not me?

“If she doesn’t have any interest in something, she wouldn’t act so cheeky like that… She wouldn’t do anything. She’ll meddle so much with what she likes to the point of killing it. For the things she hates, she’d go the extra mile to crush them.”

Hayama’s quote confirms my assumption about how different when Haruno treats Hachiman and Hayama. And these list will explain more about her purpose for secret operation.

  1. As Nakasomething wishes, Haruno who got damage from Orimoto who said proudly that Hachiman ever confessed to her before, she called Hayato so she can stick him and those girls together.
  2. When Hayato is so upset and asks why she did this, her answer was encoded, but he feels gloomy after he understood her intention that was hidden in her answer.
  3. About the reasons why Haruno volunteered to call Hayato and supported them to have fun, I have two assumptions for you to read (until the author will reveal the answer). But all assumptions I can think, she did this because her hatred feeling toward him and Orimoto.
    1. For Hayato, to reject his feeling, to get rid of him and revenge for her sister.
    2. For Orimoto, to use her to get rid of Hayato, get rid of her from Hachiman and herself.
    3. And about the calamity that might happen to Hayato and those girls I mentioned, it’s still unrealistic since I set the bar too high, since I think the hatred of Haruno toward Hayato is like Fire Tornado that was accumulated many years. And the reason that Hayato might get trouble if he (the most popular guy) will have fun with other girls although he never did that with any girls in Sobu before.
  4. When I assume that she hates him, you can see how she treats him before she leaves.
  5. When Haruno tells him that it might actually turn out to be pretty fun and go well for him, she is just sarcastic to him and reject his feeling at the same time. She knows well that he has feeling for her (if you want to know why I think Haruno thinks Hayama has feeling for her, please read “Y” of Hayama for more info), but if she says she hopes he might go well if he has fun with other girls, can you imagine how Hayama feels? Haruno shoots him down before she leaves.
  6. After this incident, the remained problem is she doesn’t know Hachiman still has feelings for Orimoto or not. So she will find another chance to investigate this when they are alone again (and for serve your desire, in case you want to know, I wrote part 4 already. There Haruno tries to find out Hachiman still has feelings for his former crush or not.).
  7. In case Haruno is expecting the calamity. It means her operation Fire Doughnut still continue.
    1. We know Hayama is the most popular guy in Zobu. If he goes to has fun with other girls in this town, some students will see them (just like when Yumiko, Ebina, Tobe and Iroha saw him). The rumor about him and other girls will happen after that. Many people (include Yumiko and his clique) will want to know the truth. He will get trouble from this incident.
    2. When Haruno knows what will happen to a girl who is too close to Hayama in the past (I mean Yukino). So she plans Orimoto to has fun with Hayama so other student(s) in Zobu will see them together. I assume Haruno plans they will get big trouble from other girls (in both schools). The gossip about love with popular guy can reach Orimoto’s school. Moreover, Orimoto mentioned Hayama is famous even in her school, so this is possible. If the rumor reaches to her school, she and Nakasomething will be burned bullied from almost every girls in their school. – Bad Ending.
      I think Nakasomething is not direct target of Haruno. But I think she observes when they talk with Hachiman earlier, so she knows Nakasomething ever hold back her laughter after Orimoto mentioned it’s impossible that Haruno will be Hachiman’s girlfriend. So she is indirect/the third target.
      In case of Hayato, Haruno plans to let him see the same tragedy that he is scared so much. If her plan is successful, all friends of Hayato will abandon him and he will be “the popular loner” that every girls will attack him.
      So it means Haruno intends to burn them with her ultimate magic, fire tornado all at once.
  8. In case Haruno didn’t plan the calamity. It means her operation Fire Doughnut has ended already.
    It means that she just rid of him and Orimoto away from her and Hachiman. To satisfy and to revenge. If she didn’t expect Hayato to meet the worst circumstance, it means that her operation is successful already because if she just expect him to suffer from her rejection, if she looked at his expression, she would know that she succeeded in sending hidden message to him. And to use her love rival to send this message is successful, no any obstacle if you ask me.
  9. When Haruno says if there’s any progress, let her know too, she doesn’t say this to Hachiman but he misunderstands she says this to him. She says this to Hayato because she is so smart enough to know what will happen if he goes have fun with those girls. She knows him very well that he is the nice guy who can’t refuse everyone’s expectations. So he can’t refuse this date for sure. That’s why her goodbye is sarcastic words for him. I suspect she doesn’t miss any small opportunity to stab him with despair knife until the last minute. Her action this time tells me how much her hatred toward him.

I’m not sure her operation still continue or it ended already, but the truth that Hayato must go have fun with those girls, still remains.

How can Haruno launch operation fire doughnut? In spite of the very low possibility.

With Watari-sensei’s support/miracle via Nakasomething’s request, so Haruno can has the chance. If Nakasomething didn’t want to meet Hayato, it’s no way Haruno can do anything.

Will Hachiman be involved with her operation or not?

  • Nope. Haruno will not invite Hachiman to go hang out with them. If she wants him to go with this group, she would do something to pull him into this group in the first place. And as my [two assumptions] why Haruno did this, Hachiman might be relate to her motivation to do this, but she wants to crush Hayato’s mind and use Orimoto for that, and to get rid of them at the same time. So I don’t see why Hachiman becomes the victim of her hatred.
  • Moreover, Haruno didn’t see why Hachiman needs to go with them. She would not want to see him hangs out together with Orimoto, right?
  • But later, we will know Hachiman ends up in this double date too, right? I can say Haruno forces him to go with Hayama’s group because Hayama can make her feels curious. You should read part 4 for more info.

Who will be Haruno’s loyal subordinate who answered her expectation (or his own expectation)?

You know that already, don’t you?

The targets of this operation.

  1. Orimoto Kaori
  2. Hayama Hayato
  3. Nakasomething

Civilian

Hikigaya Hachiman

The commander of operation Fire Doughnut

Yukinoshita Haruno

Next Release

In the next part, it might be the last part or not, I don’t know. If I’m sure part 4 will be the last part, I will update this in “Short Updates and Attentions” in Front page.

Haruno is expecting the calamity in the future is still mysterious, but it appeared that she decides to call Hachiman and invites him to go to the date group too. Why did she change her mind and include him to that group? Who did change her mind? You will know all answers in the part 4.

Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡) can't believe Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) will call. (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU TOO! やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。續 ep 4)

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Operation Fire Doughnut List

I pasted this list so you can explore all parts of Haruno’s operation. Dozo!

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Maybe this is when Haruno started to be fond of Hachiman. Because she scanned him to the core and thinks he is interesting boy.


If you already read all parts in Operation fire doughnut, you should not miss this analysis. Who will know that relationship of Haruno and those two boys, becomes love triangle relationship already? Don’t believe me before read this.

The timeline of this analysis is the same as this post. Explain how Hayato thinks/feels after he received call from Haruno to come to the cafe.

So Haruno’s operation should be perfect, but she doesn’t know a certain boy will use her to prepare his own countermeasure.

How Haruno treats with Hachiman is different if compare with how she treats with Hayama. But this is not the first time she showed us this comparison. In the School Cultural Festival, that is the firs time. If you want to know more…

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18 thoughts on “Oregairu Analysis – And Then, Yukinoshita Haruno Launched Operation Fire Doughnut! (Part 3)

  1. Quentin Shiro says:

    Again, thanks for the hard work! Although, I want to point out something. I kinda felt Haruno did feel interested when he saw Hachiman and Yukino before. But she is only interested because some boy is near to her beloved little sister. She got more interested when the Festival started. I meant the event were Hachiman said some harsh words to Sagami. And the fact that he saw more of her when Haruno said, “But as long as you played as the villain, you get a heroic response. If the enemy slacks off the enemy group doesn’t grow. Conflict brings about the development of technology”. To which Hachiman says, “So did you purposely make-“. Then she shushes him with a finger. Haruno is interested before in Hachiman, because someone had the balls to talk to Yukino and at least walk with her. We are talking about the Yukinoshita’s here(They are beautiful, cold blooded, unworldy giving aura people out here!). Then came along the Sagami incident to which she gotten more interested. Haruno now sees Hachiman as a delicate toy she wants to play, tease, play, tease until she gets bored on it one day(but it doesn’t seem like it as she continues to make contact to Hachiman frequently later on.) You could say Haruno is a doting sister who wants the best for her little sister. She wants her to stop chasing her and have a dream for once to give her the meaning of being real. I have the belief that Haruno really really loves her little sister, harsh things she must do for her not to be dragged along on her family’s pressure(mainly the matriarch). Haruno gets disappointed because she felt that someone wants to take her toy away hence the operation fire doughnut.

    Alongside with that, Hayato… I believe that Hayato likes Haruno. But before I get to that. I imagine something happened like these back when they are young. All three of them are best of friends. Until someone tried to break that rule. Hayato broke that rule. That time, Yukino kinda have a crush on Hayato while Hayato had a crush on the elder Yukinoshita. Broke the harmony the trio led to bitter things. Haruno getting angry that Hayato has hurt her beloved little sister. So Hayato makes me up for it until now, to get the approval of the elder Yukinoshita. Hint that they are so close back then and their relationship is more closer than before. Episode on season 2 where Hayato accidentally calls Yukino by, “Yukino-chan”. Too affectionate Hayato, too affectionate.

    Also, Haruno pushing Hayato to Orimoto’s group just to get a girlfriend is what she wants. So he could stop already for doing bad things to her little sister. That’s what I think. Argghh, once again, I lost my train of thought! That’s my little analysis and a little disagreement in a little part on your analysis. Thanks for the hard work! :) Cheers mate!

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    • YahariBento says:

      But she is only interested because some boy is near to her beloved little sister. She got more interested when the Festival started.

      I think we saw 8man’s bravery and Onee-san admired him clearly so I understand your comment.

      I have the belief that Haruno really really loves her little sister.

      Yes, her love for sister is more than normal standard.

      All three of them are best of friends. Until someone tried to break that rule. Hayato broke that rule.

      When I did analysis about “Y” of Hayama, from his decision to save Rumi during summer camp, I agree with you he feels bad about his past that involved with Yukino or maybe her sister too.

      Yukino kinda have a crush on Hayato while Hayato had a crush on the elder Yukinoshita. Broke the harmony the trio led to bitter things.

      I can’t find solid evidence but it’s high possible that their bitter is like that. However, I think their shattered relationship happened by other people as well.

      Haruno pushing Hayato to Orimoto’s group just to get a girlfriend is what she wants. So he could stop already for doing bad things to her little sister.

      Well, in this part, our analysis are different but I am enjoyed to read other comments, and will always like to read. Please don’t hold back in next analysis of mine.

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  2. SuM says:

    Hey there YahariBento, I just found your blog 2-3 days ago and I found your blog is very interesting and really worthy to read. Well, it might be OOT, but regarding to the comment from Quentin Shiro, I would like to share my thought (theory) about relationship and “incident” between Yukinoshita sisters and Hayato in the past, especially in this part:

    All three of them are best of friends. Until someone tried to break that rule. Hayato broke that rule.

    To do that, I’ll borrow your format a bit.
    1.DATA
    #1 when Hayato enter the Service Clubroom for the first time (LN vol.2, Anime SS1EP4). We could see that Yukino gave a very cold manner towards him.
    #2 Sometime at service club’s summer camp (LN vol. 4, Anime SS1EP8), Hayato stated that something similar with Rumi’s case had happened in the past to someone he know, and he couldn’t do anything about it.
    #3 when the discussion about solving Rumi’s case was going on (LN vol. 4, Anime SS1EP7), Hayato said that he would do anything he can do. But then replied by Yukino in displeased tones, especially in the part “anything he can do”
    #4 In LN vol.11, Anime SS2EP12, when the service club discussing with Yumiko, Ebina and Iroha about making a hand-made chocolate (the part about Hayato’ reason to decline receiving any chocolate in Valentine’s day to be specific) Yukino stated that Hayama had received one’s from a girl(s) in the past, the whole girls in the class (or even school) heard it, got freaked out and it made a heavy atmosphere in the class.
    #5 in the seminar about cooking chocolate (LN vol. 11, animeSS2Ep12) Haruno stated out loud that Yukino had gave Hayato a chocolate once on valentine’s day. Despite it was re-stated by Hayato, that was happened in their childhood and Haruno received one from her too.

    2.DECODING ALL DATA
    From data #1, we can confidently assume that Yukino held some kind of grudge (or a very deep negative emotion) against Hayato and something bitter happened between them in the past. What kind of grudge? Let’s put that aside for now.
    From data #2, we can assume that the one who’s experienced a similar experience with Rumi for being alienated is Yukino. Why? I think you’ve known why, but let’s put that aside again for now.
    From data #3, we can get a feeling that Yukino has a very deep disappointment to Hayato for the situation in that present and in the past (It’s become an answer for the question above, I hope you agree with me).
    From data #4, we can see that Hayato has been very popular in his childhood to the point where the girls went mad if there is any girl who’s close to him.
    From data #5, despite the fact that Yukino gave Hayato a Valentine’s Cocho in the past, we can know that the relationship between Haruno, Hayato and Yukino used to be very close.

    3.THEORY
    Now, this is my theory about what happened to the trio based on those data’s and my personal assumptions:
    On the Valentine’s Day in their childhood, Yukino gave Haruno and Hayato chocolates. (It’s just my assumption, but I think Yukino gave Hayama a love choco and Haruno realized about it somehow. But unfortunately, Hayama saw it as a mere obligatory/friendship choco). The girls at the school heard about it, freaked out and decide to bully Yukino (who’s been disliked by the girls even before this incident). Yukino who’s been bullied, expect Hayato to (be her prince and) save her from that situation. Unfortunately (again), Hayato can’t do anything about it (or to be precise, he can do something but can’t take any courage to do it for some reason) and decide to remain silent. (If your assumption about the “Y” person Hayato like is right, then, he didn’t want that person to misunderstand him for having some special “feeling” towards Yukino if he takes any actions, and it became his main reason to remain silent). As a result, Yukino’s felt really disappointed, betrayed and held a very deep grudge against him. Haruno who really love her sister, know about this incident, and begin to develop her dislikes toward Hayato for remain silent. (If your assumptions are right again, Yukino might be realize about the reason behind Hayato’s silent and begin to dislikes her sister). And thus, the relationship between those three began to torn apart.

    4.CONCLUSION
    Take apart my personal assumptions, here’s your conclusion:
    On the Valentine’s Day in their childhood, Yukino gave Hayato a chocolate. The girls at the school heard about it, freaked out and decide to bully Yukino who’s been disliked by the girls even before the incident. Yukino who’s been bullied, expect Hayato to save her from that situation. Unfortunately, Hayato felt he can’t do anything about it and decide to remain silent for some reason. As a result, Yukino’s feeling really disappointed and betrayed. Then, she held a very deep grudge against him. Haruno, who’s really love her sister, know about this incident, and begin to develop her dislikes toward Hayato for remain silent. And thus, the relationship between those three began to torn apart.

    btw, sorry for the long comment…

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    • YahariBento says:

      On the Valentine’s Day in their childhood, Yukino gave Haruno and Hayato chocolates. (It’s just my assumption, but I think Yukino gave Hayama a love choco and Haruno realized about it somehow. But unfortunately, Hayama saw it as a mere obligatory/friendship choco). The girls at the school heard about it, freaked out and decide to bully Yukino.

      I don’t know your theory is true or not, but if I imagine Yukino is a little kid back then, she would give her chocolate to Hayato and Haruno at the same time (maybe at Yukinoshita palace). One for her sister and one for her one and only childhood friend. I think she would show her expression (just like when she gave birthday gift and made fruit cake to Yui, she blushed clearly) toward Hayato, and Haruno saw that and assumed Yukino loved/liked Hayato. So she will support them (quietly or clearly, I don’t know).

      I don’t know Hayato realized Yukino’s feeling toward him or not (he still is a kid, back then). But if he knew, he, who has feeling for Haruno (maybe), would not want his beloved Onee-san matched them as a cute couple. I can imagine Haruno matched them and this made her sister blushed in MAX. Hayato would smile like always but didn’t buy that idea at all.

      Yukino liked Hayato. -> Hayato likes beautiful Onee-san. -> Haruno tried to match them after realized her sister’s love choco.

      Yukino who’s been bullied, expect Hayato to (be her prince and) save her from that situation. Unfortunately (again), Hayato can’t do anything about it (or to be precise, he can do something but can’t take any courage to do it for some reason) and decide to remain silent. (If your assumption about the “Y” person Hayato like is right, then, he didn’t want that person to misunderstand him for having some special “feeling” towards Yukino if he takes any actions, and it became his main reason to remain silent).

      I would not buy idea that other girls knew about Yukino’s choco but the bullying is true so Yukino would expect her only ally to protect her. Hope he will save her from piranha but her ally became NPC instead. He reminded when she gave him choco and Haruno saw that scene too so maybe one of reasons he became NPC would be he didn’t want that person misunderstood about their relationship. Another reason is his own fear. He can’t fight against social (powerful evil other girls) and sided with the only victim so that’s why he was NPC.

      btw, sorry for the long comment…

      Why did you say sorry? I like long comment so much. Thanks, @SuM ;3

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  3. Cud says:

    I don’t know if it’s me or the fact that your theory seems to be leaning toward Haruno is interested in 8man romantically. My concern is that since there are 2 female characters who also harbors romantic feelings toward 8man: Yuigahama and (possibly) Yukino, adding Haruno into the mix means that 8man will essentially has a harem and i’m not exactly please about that since Oregairu depicts the relationships and dynamics between characters in a more sophisticated way and also because another light novel did the same thing that i feared (a.k.a Sword Art Online). However, if that’s indeed the direction you’re taking then i can see why it could work out that way, both 8man and Haruno are extremely intelligent (in term of their observational, analytics and problem solving skill). The dynamic between the two of them is akin to that between Sherlock Holmes and Irene Adler imo and Sherlock Holmes is similar to 8man in this case by the fact that both can tell that the other lady is hiding something but can’t explain what the other is hiding, how she hides it and why, therefore their relationship is much more engaging.
    Anyway,that’s my 2 cents about the matter, but i suspect much like Haruno, a writer like Watari could be hiding more details that are waiting to be revealed.
    p.s. I’m reading too much into this, Jesus Christ!

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    • YahariBento ( ^ v ') says:

      >>Yuigahama and (possibly) Yukino, adding Haruno into the mix means that 8man will essentially has a harem
      I totally agree with you that harem doesn’t make sense to happen in Oregairu. When I am writing analysis, I never see even any single clue in LN that it will go to that direction. But this is just my opinion while I reading and writing Oregairu only.

      Another opinion is I believe Hachiman will have friendship and romantic relationships in the end (no harem, friendship only, romantic only, loner). But I don’t have any solid evidences that will prove my thought. I just …don’t see why it will end like that if author picked “Genuine” to this story.

      About intelligence, I agree with you again Hachiman’s intelligence is on par with Haruno’s. But I will add Hayama too because after I finally see through his acting to save Hachiman, I am super gigantic shocked from his multidimensional plan. I plan to reveal his true purpose in the future too.

      In case you want to know how and why Haruno hides her true feelings.

      >>a writer like Watari could be hiding more details that are waiting to be revealed.
      I admit he is the master of stealth because there’re many things he is hiding.

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      • Cud says:

        thank you for your reply and for understanding why i think Haruno is unlikely to be romantically involved with 8man.
        About Haruno’s manipulation, i agree that she won’t try to manipulate the people she’s fond of, not knowingly that is. In part 5 of your analysis you pointed out that Haruno inherit some manipulation skill from her mother, and you also pointed out that those who manipulates don’t aware that they are. The reason why she chose 8man in the 1st place is because he understands her enough to know that she is using him without being upset by it (as 8man has used himself as a martyr many time before) but other people (excluding Hayato) will.
        I don’t think Haruno is evil by any means. If we judge every characters base on their action, 8man is arguably the most villainous as he’s willingly destroy (Tsugumi Rumi’s case), use (he ask Yumiko, Hayato and that other guy whose name i forgot) and hurt (himself and the two girls). God knows how many time he would do that if no one told him that he has been hurting people. Anyway, back to Haruno. I think her unknowingly manipulating her love ones are just about the only way she knows how to express her love as you’ve pointed out that she was raised in a controlled environment.
        p.s. I would love to be proven wrong about Haruno doesn’t have any special feelings for 8man though, after reading your analysis, it would be quite fascinating to see how it’ll play out.

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        • YahariBento ( ^ v ') says:

          About Haruno’s manipulation, i agree that she won’t try to manipulate the people she’s fond of, not knowingly that is. In part 5 of your analysis you pointed out that Haruno inherit some manipulation skill from her mother, and you also pointed out that those who manipulates don’t aware that they are.

          Thanks for remembering my assumption in this post. I understand you think Haruno is still manipulate people and I agree with you. However, I think all human’s minds are not static all the times (they are like waves and move 24 hours). I ever wrote about her manipulation to people, and I also comment she doesn’t mean to manipulate people she doesn’t hate. What I want to conclude is… in some rare occasion (like when she forces 8man to go on the double date), although she doesn’t hate him, she ends up manipulating everything around him so he has no choice but ends up go. Because she is curious why Hayama tries so much even bowed to 8man in order to invite him to the dates. I think her curious feeling makes her cross the line. This time she would not consider 8man’s feeling if he must go have fun with people who don’t mind to hurt his feeling. In this case, I never side with Haruno and say blindly that she will never hurt people she likes. Sometimes, impulse can win everything even Haruno’s generous.

          I notice Haruno is not different from other people when we talk about mind. She will do mistake, horrible things, fall, and ends up villain, but I’m sure she will never feel happy after she knows either, just like other characters who done the same things in Oregairu. Even Hachiman, Yukino, Yuigahama & other characters sometimes after know what they done, they regret but try to re-think and improve.

          What I want to conclude is if Haruno “likes” to manipulate people, I am sure she will do more than this. It’s regrettable no one will warn about what she did. Yukino is lucky she is warned by Haruno, 8man is lucky his teacher teaches him valuable lessons. But Haruno never was warned by others. And she never look at her doing either. It’s not surprised she is still lost. In the future I wish someone or a certain guy will warn her too.

          >>p.s. I would love to be proven wrong about Haruno doesn’t have any special feelings for 8man though, after reading your analysis, it would be quite fascinating to see how it’ll play out.

          It’s fine for us to have different opinions. Actually, it’s great to discuss why we think like that. After read your theory, I find out I must adjust my way of thinking too, because I sometimes, see characters as the static beings. This is my mistake. Your opinion helps me to guide to the correct way. But I will tell you that I still don’t agree with some thought of yours either (gomen). So it would be quite fascinating to see how it’ll play out.

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  4. Cud says:

    “But I will tell you that I still don’t agree with some thought of yours either (gomen)”
    By all means, please don’t mind about it, I welcome a different mindset. Actually I was bother by the relationship between 8man and Haruno to the point of wanting to know beforehand how it will end up. If it won’t end the way i think it will i may write a fanfic about them or something (laugh hysterically!!). It’s more personal than anything really.
    The reason why i tend to think Haruno is on a more manipulative side is because i draw a lot of comparision between her and Patrick Bateman from American Psycho. Both character lives in a luxurious world, both find themselves surrounded by superficiality (appearance, relationship…), both have a tendency to think people as pawn in their game (although it’s worse in Patrick’s case), both seek control (for Haruno in your theory is to control her own life and give her sister control for her life, for Patrick it’s…everything!) and both has a nihilistic mindset (As you’ve pointed out in the 3rd memorandum Haruno was at a point of almost given up on everything). However, Haruno is still sensitive enough to consider the feeling of other people (beside Hayato anyway) while Patrick is beyond saving (at one point, the story is so disjointed and confusing that one have to wonder if Patrick is telling the story the way it actually happen or not). For that reason my opinion of Haruno tends to be bias toward how i view characters like Patrick Bateman.
    p.s. Did you draw comparison between any characters from OreGairu and characters from other works?

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    • YahariBento ( ^ v ') says:

      >>i may write a fanfic about them or something

      Wow! If you wrote, please upload in fiction site so I can read your work. (^ ^)

      comparision between her and Patrick Bateman from American Psycho. Both character lives in a luxurious world, both find themselves surrounded by superficiality (appearance, relationship…), both have a tendency to think people as pawn in their game (although it’s worse in Patrick’s case), both seek control (for Haruno in your theory is to control her own life and give her sister control for her life, for Patrick it’s…everything!) and both has a nihilistic mindset (As you’ve pointed out in the 3rd memorandum Haruno was at a point of almost given up on everything).

      I never watch this movie before. But hmm… your review is very interesting, since I’m focusing on Haruno’s story. I think I will search for this movie.

      >>p.s. Did you draw comparison between any characters from OreGairu and characters from other works?

      I actually try to compare Haruno, Hayama to other characters from other works since I write about them. But I still can’t find any characters who actually similar to them yet (although some people will compare Haruno with Izaya from Durarara!! and Hayama with Superman).

      Oh! I compared sibling relationship between (Haruno and Yukino) with (Tatenashi Sarashiki and Kanzashi Sarashiki from Infinite Stratos anime)! It can’t help to think they are hopeless to recover relationship again if there’s no middleman. I actually hope Haruno and Yukino will be happy siblings again (by 8man’s help).

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  5. Cud says:

    “Wow! If you wrote, please upload in fiction site so I can read your work. (^ ^)”
    I doubt my writing skill can do Wataru Watari-sensei’s work justice.
    If you are interested in American Psycho but don’t really have the time, i suggest watching an analysis on the book by the youtube channel Wisecrack. Also American Psycho is quite a dark story (involving blood, murder, sex…) so watch at your own risk. I haven’t watched American Psycho myself but i found Patrick Bateman’s character to be quite interesting (i guess dark characters draw me in).
    Also, i notice that in OreGairu Watari-sensei have 8man monologue about his thought on various matter, which is something (drum roll please!) William Shakespeare used a lot in his work to study the mind of the characters instead of using it for exposition. However i’m not surprise his work is influenced by Shakespeare since he’s a pioneer of his time in creating character, plot building and language which is all things OreGairu is strong as (at least for me).
    p.s. I know this isn’t really related to the theory but i found OreGairu’s inspiration can also be found outside of the manga and anime realm and this really increase my appreciation for this work.

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    • YahariBento ( ^ v ') says:

      Whoa. Just look at the picture in search engine, I think it’s dark like you comment.

      >>i notice that in OreGairu Watari-sensei have 8man monologue about his thought on various matter, which is something (drum roll please!) William Shakespeare used a lot in his work to study the mind of the characters instead of using it for exposition. However i’m not surprise his work is influenced by Shakespeare since he’s a pioneer of his time in creating character, plot building and language which is all things OreGairu is strong as (at least for me).

      Is that so? I never read Shakespeare’s works so this is new to me. But I also agree Oregairu is strong in plot and characters that can attract readers.

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  6. zuda says:

    Hi,

    I just read again the LN vol 8, so I wanted to read your assumption about Haruno Operation Fire Doughnut. To start, I have two question about your analysis.. I don’t really read the following part yet (I just look the main point), so perhaps the answer to my question is there.

    First, why do you say “Haruno don’t do that for her sister’s sake” ? Is is an assumption, or is from fact ?
    To my point of view, it seems that it just the result of your point that Haruno like Hachiman, so she does that for her, but personally, I don’t disconnect totally the fact that Haruno could do that for her and for her sister sake. It could be and equal motive, or perhaps one is the major and the other the minor (personally I guess for her > for her sister).

    Secondly, why do you think Haruno first plan was only Hayato and the two girls go out without Hachiman ? It is a guess or from fact ?
    What I understand from your analysis is you guess that because Haruno says they “all should go have fun”. That’s why I don’t understand this point because for me, if she say all, she could include Hachiman. Even Hachiman thought if he was included, because before that, he don’t even think about this possibility. If Haruno wanted that only Hayato would go out with the two cheeks, she could say “you should go out with them Hayato” to convince him to accept.
    For me, she use the word “all” because it is ambiguous. If she say in front of the two cheeks than Hachiman and Hayato should go, perhaps the two cheeks would react (with a grimace which say ” why him ? T-T”)

    Moreover, for me, this plan without Hachiman in this double date, is not really meaningful for me.
    You say that this plan without Hachiman, people will see them, would possibly generate rumor that will hurt Orimoto and her friend, and Hayama.
    For Orimoto and her friend, I think the risk is very low. I mean, it was just one date because, Haruno know that there will be nothing after that, so to be bullied, for just one date, it’s pretty big. Also, the probablity that someone will recognise them and Hayato is not very high ever. We can assume that Hayato is pretty famous outside the High school too, but Orimoto and his friend is another thing. So it must be someone who knows Orimoto or her friend, and Hayato, and this person will create a rumor from that, and this would cause some problem to Orimoto and her friend, for me, it quite a random plan.

    For Hayama, it’s more plausible, because if he is famous and he is famous for not going out with girl, the probabily that someone recognize him and will be curious about him with two cheek is higher, but not really certain too. And to assume that a rumor will propagate for just this, is not a very reliable plan. Moreover, Hayama could choose some place and some day, where the probability to be seen by people from his school is very low (but Hayama is stupid lol, even Miura could see him), and during the week end, they don’t need to wear uniform so the people that will see them will don’t know that the two cheek are from other high school, and he just can pretend that they are just some aquaintance from middle school that he met by chance, so nothing very serious could happen in this case even for him.

    So for me, this plan is not very well “plan”, so, it doesn’t suit to Haruno ingeniosity for me. Moreover, this plan is more design to annoy Hayama than Orimoto (there still have some probability to affect Hayama, but for Orimoto is so random) while the main target is Orimoto.
    And I don’t really think that for her, use Hayama have something with killing two birds with one stone. I don’t think Haruno hate Hayama, but instead, only despise him very much. And even if she hate him, she doesn’t need some pretext like Orimoto to hurt him. She could apply an other plan or this plan with any girl and Hayama.

    So that’s all for now, but with what I read quickly in the next part, I will have many other question or reflexion to share with you ;)

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    • YahariBento ( ^ v ') says:

      >First, why do you say “Haruno don’t do that for her sister’s sake” ? Is is an assumption, or is from fact ?

      I’m not sure which part do you mean? Can you please copy my assumption or/and the headline so I can find it easier.

      >Secondly, why do you think Haruno first plan was only Hayato and the two girls go out without Hachiman ? It is a guess or from fact ?

      It’s understandable if you think Haruno includes Hachiman in to this date group. But for your question, I will let you think when Orimoto asks him about Hayama. The reason she asks him because if he knows about this popular boy Nakasomething wants to meet, she would ask him to contact this hot guy. So it means both girls (especially, Nakasomething) wants to approach Hayama only.

      Yukinoshita Haruno volunteers to call Hayama Hayato for Nakasomething.

      And Haruno finds this opportunity to call Hayama, by pretends she is sociable enough so she will volunteer to organize this job instead Hachiman who is not close with Hayama like Orimoto expects.

      So when Hayama comes to the cafe, what both girls want is him only, not Hachiman. Who do they want him to go hang out with them, if who they want is the hot guy only? So if Haruno wants Hachiman to go to this date group, she must call him, say anything to force him to go, and even convince both girls to let him go too. But did she do all that? No.

      2nd reason – is it’s low possible Haruno wants Hachiman to go hang out with them (especially Orimoto). Why? If you read my analysis – Haruno’s Operation (part 2), you would know about “her feeling toward Orimoto that relates to Hachiman”. And yes, it’s my assumption only, but I notice from many clues in LNs. From this point, I assume she has no any intention to want him go hang out with “the girl who he ever confessed his feeling”.

      3rd reason – Haruno is high sociable, very smart & even has human observation skill, but although she’s not, she would notice Hachiman is uncomfortable in Orimoto’s existence (you would know the reason why). So it’s natural he doesn’t want to go hang out with the one who hurt his feeling in public before, from the beginning. I wrote in Haruno’s operation (part2) about she realizes Orimoto would not his friend. So if Haruno wants him to go hang out to this trial, she needs to do more than say “all of you should go hang out”.

      4th reason – if Haruno includes Hachiman to go like you assume, it’s possible too. But if it’s like that for real, the reason she calls Hayama I explained in this analysis, will wrong. And if it’s not like I analyzed, I will return and search for the reason why she volunteers to call him. Why does she call him? Because she is kind Onee-san? Or she wants to do that for girls she meets for the first time? Because she thinks it’s very interesting like she said before called him? Or she just wants Hachiman and Hayama have fun?

      So although Haruno says “all”, it doesn’t mean all of them. If she doesn’t force invite Hachiman specific, I don’t think he will go too.

      >Moreover, for me, this plan without Hachiman in this double date, is not really meaningful for me.

      I know your feeling. Because my assumption about the final result Haruno aims, becomes the bubbles, not exist anymore already. I will explain about this more in the last past of Hayama’s multidimensional plan so you will know the hidden story progress. So I will not say much. But I am sure that the reason Haruno called Hayama so he will go hang out with two girls, is relate to her own hatred because he must do something very bad in the past, that makes she hates him so much until now. And when explore in LN v1-11, the only thing he failed that is relate to her, is about what happened to her beloved sister, the precious one (because he never do something bad to Haruno directly, I judge from LN).

      So about the final result I mentioned in the post above feels like the random plan to you, is understandable. Sometimes even me, feel the same. But I connect 1) Haruno’s hatred + 2)the moment she wants him to go hang out with those girls + 3) the status he wants to maintain/protect (The nice Hayama) together, so the final result I wrote, is the only assumption that survived from all factors I described. The calamity of Hayama Hayato.

      Yukinoshita Haruno expects interesting thing.

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  7. zuda says:

    Thank for your so quick anwser !

    a question, how do you quote some part of the comment ?

    ——–“I’m not sure which part do you mean? Can you please copy my assumption or/and the headline so I can find it easier.”
    for the first point, it’s for all the operation donuts. For example, in the part 2 in “Conclusion from notices”, you said :
    “the I will assume she is very fond of Hachiman so much and want to know everything about him, especially in his own love story. It’s not for the sake of her younger sister, but for her own self-satisfaction.”

    for the second point

    —-“So when Hayama comes to the cafe, what both girls want is him only, not Hachiman. Who do they want him to go hang out with them, if who they want is the hot guy only? So if Haruno wants Hachiman to go to this date group, she must call him, say anything to force him to go, and even convince both girls to let him go too. But did she do all that? No.”
    Like I said, the best way to invite Hachiman in the double date is exactly what happen in the LN. Push Hayama to say yes, with an ambiguous question that could include Hachiman. Let Hayama push Hachiman to come, to give a pretext to Haruno to force him to come, and let Hayama arrange the thing with the two cheek.
    If she do what you said (so must call him, say anything to force him to go, and even convince both girls to let him go too), even if the two girl accept by politeness, they will says with their face (no way he could go), that give hachiman a good excuse to not go. Also, she knows that Hachiman would be not so easily convinced (so she need Hayama trick before, and no opposition from the two girls), and try to convince him in front of the two girl will be very very suspicious (act like she does in the LN, is still suspicious but more natural)

    —–“2nd reason – is it’s low possible Haruno wants Hachiman to go hang out with them (especially Orimoto). Why? If you read my analysis – Haruno’s Operation (part 2), you would know about “her feeling toward Orimoto that relates to Hachiman”. And yes, it’s my assumption only, but I notice from many clues in LNs. From this point, I assume she has no any intention to want him go hang out with “the girl who he ever confessed his feeling”. ”
    When I say my point, I take for truth what you assume in the precedent point. So Haruno is jealous about the fact that Orimoto is Hachiman first crush.
    Why did she would a double date with Hachiman.
    My guess is she plan what happen in the double date with the two cheeks, Hayama and Hachiman, the two cheeks despise Hachiman and just have eyes for Hayama. And when Orimoto don’t know what to say, she will just use hachiman to say badmouth about him. Like that, even if hachiman will be still in love with Orimoto, he will see a dark part of her. But my guess is Haruno could easily assume that Hachiman don’t have a thing for Orimoto anymore with the way he act when they meet.
    Even if it is not the case, with the ambiguous question, the plan can be easily cancel because Hachiman don’t want to think he could be invited. So it is totally safe.

    —–” 3rd reason – Haruno is high sociable, very smart & even has human observation skill, but although she’s not, she would notice Hachiman is uncomfortable in Orimoto’s existence (you would know the reason why). So it’s natural he doesn’t want to go hang out with the one who hurt his feeling in public before, from the beginning. I wrote in Haruno’s operation (part2) about she realises Orimoto would not his friend. So if Haruno wants him to go hang out to this trial, she needs to do more than say “all of you should go hang out”. ”
    I think Haruno love to put in a discomfort zone the people she care. Like her sister for example and also the Haruno teasing (even if the teasing is not only teasing like in your assumption, but have a double meaning, it always place Hachiman in a discomfort zone). Even if not the case, haruno would just do this to realise her aim, like she puts Hachiman in a uncomfortable position in the cultural festival affair.

    —–“4th reason – if Haruno includes Hachiman to go like you assume, it’s possible too. But if it’s like that for real, the reason she calls Hayama I explained in this analysis, will wrong. And if it’s not like I analyzed, I will return and search for the reason why she volunteers to call him. Why does she call him? Because she is kind Onee-san? Or she wants to do that for girls she meets for the first time? Because she thinks it’s very interesting like she said before called him? Or she just wants Hachiman and Hayama have fun?”
    No, I think the reason of the operation don’t change at all if it includes Hachiman. Because, at the end, Orimoto and her friend have been crushed, Hayama have been use like a sacrifice and destroy his image, and she can confirm and know more about Hachiman feeling.

    I think in the other part, you explain that Hayama will not act like Haruno want and invite Hachiman. But Haruno will adapt her plan with this fact, and finnaly come to the plan we see in the end. For me, I think she already plan what will happen at the beggining.

    —–“But I am sure that the reason Haruno called Hayama so he will go hang out with two girls, is relate to her own hatred because he must do something very bad in the past, that makes she hates him so much until now. And when explore in LN v1-11, the only thing he failed that is relate to her, is about what happened to her beloved sister, the precious one (because he never do something bad to Haruno directly, I judge from LN).”
    Yeah, I’m pretty confident when I think there something in the past between Hayama, Yukino and Haruno (I personally guess that it is also related to her mother, because the tension with her mother is also so high, so a factual reason could be good ( not just only, my mother is a scary manipulator) ), and that’s why Yukino have a grudge against Hayama, and Haruno despise Hayama for me (hate him for you but the idea is the same). But like I said, if the main target is Hayama, she could do and must do that way long time ago. I think more Hayama is like a pleasant collateral damage for Haruno, she enjoy to hurt.

    —–“I know your feeling. Because my assumption about the final result Haruno aims, becomes the bubbles, not exist anymore already. I will explain about this more in the last past of Hayama’s multidimensional plan so you will know the hidden story progress”
    Did you mean your post “The TRUTH(s) behind Hayato’s Sacrifice for Hachiman (Part 1) ” ?

    Because, yeah, I will read all your analysis, and see why for you, Hayama invite Hachiman, what did he plan and How Haruno manage that.
    LN vol 8 is a so rich volume, there so many thing mysterious in this volume for me. I really enjoy to read analysis about Yahari. What that amaze me the more, is that the most mysterious character for me is still hachiman, even if we see the world from his mind. What a wonderfull masterpiece !

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    • YahariBento ( ^ v ') says:

      >a question, how do you quote some part of the comment ?

      since you comment in my blog, I can quote some words since wordpress has …button bar to manage comment or even insert images. I don’t know you can use code in comment form, but you can try blockquote html code to cover words.

      >in the part 2 in “Conclusion from notices”, you said :
      “the I will assume she is very fond of Hachiman so much and want to know everything about him, especially in his own love story. It’s not for the sake of her younger sister, but for her own self-satisfaction.”
      To my point of view, it seems that it just the result of your point that Haruno like Hachiman, so she does that for her, but personally, I don’t disconnect totally the fact that Haruno could do that for her and for her sister sake. It could be and equal motive, or perhaps one is the major and the other the minor (personally I guess for her > for her sister).

      Oh, that point. I will say I don’t have any solid evidence to judge Haruno’s feeling. My conclusion you are curious, is the conclusion I notice from her doing and I never think she will do anything for the sake of Yukino only and for that reason only. I destroy the image that most people think she did this and that for the main character (Yukino) only. I notice not main characters in Oregairu have their own intention to do most things for the sake of them mainly. Sometimes for the sake of other people too but not much as for themselves.

      But for Haruno’s case in that time (the moment she asks Orimoto about Hachiman’s love story) is one of case that I see her purpose that she always do something for her own sake mainly, for other people she cares, the second. But for this case, I can see her desire or curiosity come from her own feeling only. Therefore, this is just me only, but I feel from the atmosphere such as when she is venting her feeling to Hachiman before Orimoto will appear.

      But don’t forget this is my assumption after read Oregairu LN/anime/manga too much. Your opinion is interesting because both of us will always pose our question and wait for the truth from the author.

      >the best way to invite Hachiman in the double date is exactly what happen in the LN. Push Hayama to say yes, with an ambiguous question that could include Hachiman. Let Hayama push Hachiman to come, to give a pretext to Haruno to force him to come, and let Hayama arrange the thing with the two cheek.
      If she do what you said (so must call him, say anything to force him to go, and even convince both girls to let him go too), even if the two girl accept by politeness, they will says with their face (no way he could go), that give hachiman a good excuse to not go. Also, she knows that Hachiman would be not so easily convinced (so she need Hayama trick before, and no opposition from the two girls), and try to convince him in front of the two girl will be very very suspicious (act like she does in the LN, is still suspicious but more natural)

      I forgot you still don’t read Haruno’s Operation Part 4 yet. I wrote why & how Haruno invites Hachiman later. But I think your assumption is reasonable & makes me think. About you said two girls will accept Haruno’s offer but will say with their faces, I think Hachiman is not the type that will refuse Haruno’s endless storm. So although he tries to find some excuse to escape, I don’t think he can run away from her palm. I notice (in anime Zoku ep4) when Hachiman tries to refuse Haruno’s invitation via phone call. No matter how many he refuses or what excuse he can think, he ends up surrender because he is afraid of her to come to his house. So in the doughnut cafe, it will not be surprising to me if she will launch anything and eliminate all excuses he can think that time in case she invites him too.

      >When I say my point, I take for truth what you assume in the precedent point. So Haruno is jealous about the fact that Orimoto is Hachiman first crush.
      Why did she would a double date with Hachiman.
      My guess is she plan what happen in the double date with the two cheeks, Hayama and Hachiman, the two cheeks despise Hachiman and just have eyes for Hayama. And when Orimoto don’t know what to say, she will just use hachiman to say badmouth about him. Like that, even if hachiman will be still in love with Orimoto, he will see a dark part of her. But my guess is Haruno could easily assume that Hachiman don’t have a thing for Orimoto anymore with the way he act when they meet.

      That’s what I want to say. But if I’m not misunderstanding, do you use my assumption to support your assumption that why Haruno invites Hachiman or not? If not, I am the one who is misunderstanding. If so, I recommend you to read Part 4. In this part, you will know the story progress and Haruno’s thought. Because like I mentioned that she just want to destroy Hayama only. But the moment she changes her mind and decides to invite him too, I think there’s another good point. And another good point is to realize Hachiman’s feeling toward Orimoto since I wrote analysis via Haruno’s point of view, not Hachiman’s. In case you re not satisfied my answer to this point, I understand, but I can’t spoil what I want to write in the last part of the multidimensional plan of Hayama and operation fire doughnut of Haruno in this comment. So…

      Please wait.

      >I think Haruno love to put in a discomfort zone the people she care. Like her sister for example and also the Haruno teasing (even if the teasing is not only teasing like in your assumption, but have a double meaning, it always place Hachiman in a discomfort zone). Even if not the case, haruno would just do this to realise her aim, like she puts Hachiman in a uncomfortable position in the cultural festival affair.

      To this point, our point of view are different, but it’s fine. I feel Haruno teases people she cares to draw their attention.

      >haruno would just do this to realise her aim, like she puts Hachiman in a uncomfortable position in the cultural festival affair.

      ? When?

      >No, I think the reason of the operation don’t change at all if it includes Hachiman. Because, at the end, Orimoto and her friend have been crushed, Hayama have been use like a sacrifice and destroy his image, and she can confirm and know more about Hachiman feeling.

      If Haruno includes Hachiman to the date group, the final result she plans will not happen (you can see from Miura, although Hayama go hang out with other girls still effect, but she can lie to herself that Hikio also go with him too, so it can’t be date.) Although what Miura think is just my assumption only, but this is what Hayama expect. And again I will not spoil to the comment because I will launch in full edition in the last part of analysis.

      >I think in the other part, you explain that Hayama will not act like Haruno want and invite Hachiman. But Haruno will adapt her plan with this fact, and finnaly come to the plan we see in the end. For me, I think she already plan what will happen at the beggining.

      Yes. I still think Hayama can’t let Haruno do what she wants.
      No. Haruno never expect the final result we saw in LN v8, or anime Zoku ep4 will happen. I still recommend you Part 4, and wait for the last part of Hayama & Haruno’s missions.

      if the main target is Hayama, she could do and must do that way long time ago. I think more Hayama is like a pleasant collateral damage for Haruno, she enjoy to hurt.

      Your assumption this point makes me think about it again. I think it’s like you said, but we can’t see it clearly because we can’t see their lives completely since we see via Hachiman’s pov. I feel Haruno doesn’t care about Hayama, although she still talk with him, call him with the first name. She do these so people will not notice her feeling. Haruno is one of characters who always hide her feeling. So although she can talk with him like Onee-san & brother, she doesn’t feel like that. I can say even Yukino doesn’t know her big sister doesn’t like Hayama.

      About hurt Hayama, I feel that the truth that Haruno who he has feeling for, never care for him, is what hurts him although she didn’t do anything. Her operation to eliminate him is just the ultra rare Orimoto and Nakasomething give her only. So like you said, it happened already and still happen until now. Although I feel that Haruno’s everlasting grudge toward him would end in the end for sure. Because the story right now is dark, so it should end with light.

      >Did you mean your post “The TRUTH(s) behind Hayato’s Sacrifice for Hachiman (Part 1) ” ?

      Nope. The last part is not published yet.

      I can’t disagree with you anymore. LN v8 is the legendary treasure.

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  8. zuda says:

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    —————“I notice not main characters in Oregairu have their own intention to do most things for the sake of them mainly. Sometimes for the sake of other people too but not much as for themselves”
    Yeah, I’m totally agree with that. The most striking example for me is Hayama with his “You help people because you want someone to help you, right?”
    But like in the reality, it is always hard to separate the “for someone else sake” with the “for my sake” (but the inverse is not true, you could easily separate something for the my sake that is not for for other person sake). For example, you can said, when Yui care about Yukino, she do that for her sake, because she wants to keep their relationship and become closer to her. But you can also say, she wants to help her for Yukino sake, because for her own sake, she needs her.

    —————“No matter how many he refuses or what excuse he can think, he ends up surrender because he is afraid of her to come to his house. So in the doughnut cafe, it will not be surprising to me if she will launch anything and eliminate all excuses he can think that time in case she invites him too.”
    The problem is not that she can’t persuade him in the doughnut cafe, but it is harder than the plan that finally happen, and moreover, it forces her to deploy some powerfull spell like “Yukino spell” or “Hayama needs you” or “Common, it will be fun with your first crush”, and that in front of Hachiman, Hayama, Orimoto and her friend. With the final plan, Hachiman already get mistrustful. With the plan you propose, Orimoto, her friend and Hayama will be mistrustful too “Why she is so persistent ? ” (but Hayama is already mistrustful against this double date).

    I’m excited to read what you think Hayama plan and how Haruno adapt his plan. Me too I think Hayama does something “unexpected” for Haruno but for me is not invited Hachiman, but let’s talk about that in the next part (I put unexpected in quote, because I think, Haruno imagine already that Hayama will plan something and don’t act like she totally wants )

    ——-“To this point, our point of view are different, but it’s fine. I feel Haruno teases people she cares to draw their attention.”
    I think Haruno have many way to draw attention, without remove her mask. If she choose this way, I think it is also to push other person to react. Push someone in discomfort, tend him to react and change. It’s her manipulation skill, and for me she likes this. She could also use her skill to simply push someone to draw their attention to her.
    Perhaps I perceive like that because I am totally the same.

    ——-“>haruno would just do this to realise her aim, like she puts Hachiman in a uncomfortable position in the cultural festival affair.
    ? When?”
    With the festival cultural affair, Hachiman was in disconfort.
    First, he wants to work at least at possible, but with a chairwoman-chan like Sagami, he should work a lot !!!!
    Secondly, to see Yukinoshita at the limit, push him to act to help her. I think Haruno perception skill could easily anticipate that, so she create cultural festival affair despite that.

    ———“If Haruno includes Hachiman to the date group, the final result she plans will not happen (you can see from Miura, although Hayama go hang out with other girls still effect, but she can lie to herself that Hikio also go with him too, so it can’t be date.”
    Yeah, the fact Hachiman was here, change something. But, it was very hard to predict. First, Miura see them it’s the least probable case (thanks Watari sensei :) and Hayato, you are so stupid), and to that, imagine that Hachiman will see that first, and will act, to avoid her is even more random.
    The most probable case which hurt Orimoto and Hayama (but still too random), is that someone who knows Orimoto, see them. But, the probability that Hachiman can see that and act to avoid that is low (and his presence himself don’t change anything in the perception, except the two girl one boy thing, but for me, I don’t ve really curious about this fact, it just decreaase the probability that is a date). He didn’t know the new people in Orimoto High school, and I think he can’t really recognize the majority of the student from his old middle school. So, it’s hard to predict that Hachiman presence will change anything in the double date plan.

    ————“Haruno is one of characters who always hide her feeling”
    Yeah, exactly. But I think, most of character in Yahari do that. Even more, Hachiman hide his feeling to himself !! Even Yui, who is show as “could confess when she want, apology when it is needed, so that surprise Hachiman and Yukino” have her own hiden feeling.

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    • YahariBento ( ^ v ') says:

      >The problem is not that she can’t persuade him in the doughnut cafe, but it is harder than the plan that finally happen, and moreover, it forces her to deploy some powerfull spell like “Yukino spell” or “Hayama needs you” or “Common, it will be fun with your first crush”, and that in front of Hachiman, Hayama, Orimoto and her friend. With the final plan, Hachiman already get mistrustful. With the plan you propose, Orimoto, her friend and Hayama will be mistrustful too “Why she is so persistent ? ” (but Hayama is already mistrustful against this double date).

      True. what makes us think different is because we interpret characters’s intention in differently. We TL their reactions and get our own conclusion, and that is understanding. I think each characters has her/his own purpose and will not reveal it because someone who might lose benefit or was manipulated, will stop her/him. And again, the last part.

      >Push someone in discomfort, tend him to react and change. It’s her manipulation skill, and for me she likes this. She could also use her skill to simply push someone to draw their attention to her.

      I think it’s effective skill that not Haruno has only, in Oregairu, Hayama even Hachiman (solve Rumi’s case) have this. But in case of Haruno, it’s up to her purpose too. If she wants people to do something for her and they don’t need to know her will, she will use that skill. If she just want their attention, she will not use this skill. But it’s not like that every time. Sometimes even herself doesn’t realize that she wants something from other people. Maybe with something like this, makes me see her as a human, although she is just character in LN. (“god” job, Watari-sensei!!)

      >With the festival cultural affair, Hachiman was in disconfort.
      First, he wants to work at least at possible, but with a chairwoman-chan like Sagami, he should work a lot !!!!
      Secondly, to see Yukinoshita at the limit, push him to act to help her. I think Haruno perception skill could easily anticipate that, so she create cultural festival affair despite that.

      Oh, I see. I’m writing about this right now, so you can wait for my assumption about her doing in the festival. I will name my post as “After” Haruno decides to help Yukino.. But I think my analysis “When” Haruno decides to help Yukino. might give you some thoughts. This is link.

      Yukinoshita Haruno is worried about Yukino.

      >The most probable case which hurt Orimoto and Hayama (but still too random), is that someone who knows Orimoto, see them. But, the probability that Hachiman can see that and act to avoid that is low (and his presence himself don’t change anything in the perception, except the two girl one boy thing, but for me, I don’t ve really curious about this fact, it just decreaase the probability that is a date). He didn’t know the new people in Orimoto High school, and I think he can’t really recognize the majority of the student from his old middle school. So, it’s hard to predict that Hachiman presence will change anything in the double date plan.

      I agree with you that Hachiman can’t be alert for Orimoto and Nakasomething. But don’t forget that I told about people will do anything for their own self-satisfaction mainly, for other people’s sake is the second. And again, please wait for the last part. ^ ^

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