Oregairu Analysis – And Then, Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) Launched Operation Fire Doughnut! (Part 3) [Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Season 2 Ep 3]

Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) will not tell Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡). (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU TOO! やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。續 Ep 3)

This part will explain what the operation Fire Doughnut of Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) is. Why does she volunteer to call Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人) and arrange him and those girls hang out together? What does she want from him? Does she just mess around? This Yahari analysis will provide the answer for you. And “some unbelievable truths” you never read somewhere before.

Update (2/8/2018)

I updated the tragedy of Haruno, Hayato, and Yukino because it’s the origin of Haruno’s hatred toward him. If you want to read this update, you can click Ctrl+F and find this paragraph,
What is Haruno aiming for this dating group (If I set the bar lower)?

Before You Will Proceed.

This operation Fire Doughnut of Haruno was divided into parts. You would be confused about my conclusion above if you didn’t read part 1 & 2 first so please read them (I did “Operation Fire Doughnut list” below of this post for you too.).


  • Part 1
    • The reason why Haruno is curious if any girls approached him during the trip and asked him expertly so he will not know her intention.
    • How Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡) gains more “trust” from Haruno after his effort that made her sister, Yukino recover her self-confidence.
    • Haruno’s hope and despair, because the relationship between her and Yukino didn’t recover despite working in the committee, helped Yukino recover her self-confidence for real. But what her sister did is sending the souvenir to their family via mail…
  • Part 2
    • Haruno’s desire behind her introduction (if you want to know the relationship she wants to be with him).
    • Her fiery feeling after heard Hachiman’s love story from Orimoto Kaori (折本 かおり), the birth of the monster in her stomach, and the cause of operation Fire Doughnut that made her summon the ultra-rare card with her phone!

If you read 1 and 2 already, welcome to part 3!

ps.

  • Please read Attention page first, to let you understand that my all analyses are not 100% correct.
  • Spoiler up ahead. And I recommend you to read/watch Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. (やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。), Oregairu (俺ガイル) LN/anime Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku (やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続)/manga Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabu Kome wa Machigatteiru. -Monologue- (やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。-妄言録-) before proceeding.

 

In this part, after Haruno took heavy damage by ice magic, Absolute Zero from Orimoto, she decided that Orimoto is in her blacklist who should be blown away from Hachiman (or both of them that are Haruno and him) immediately. And if these girls want to meet that popular guy, she just answers their expectation, for her own satisfaction.

 

If “he” still loves her even if he was rejected?

 

Operation Fire Doughnut,
M@ster Donut, Chiba Perfecture, Tokyo,
Evening with the setting sun,
LN v8, Anime Zoku ep3-4, Manga -Monologue- v7

Even Haruno is utterly mystified.

In the previous part, I assumed Haruno right now would be jealous because of the truth she heard from Orimoto. I saw she is jealous when she met Hachiman and Yuigahama Yui (由比ヶ浜 結衣) during the firework festival (anime ss1 ep 9) but she confirmed silently from their reactions that that is not a date. However, this time is different, WW tried his best to hide her emotion but her jealous feeling is another level compares to that time. So what should she do?

Hayama Hayato Is The Answer.

Orimoto asked Hachiman if he knows about Hayama-kun or not. She said her friend wants to meet him. However, Hachiman couldn’t do that so he refused. After that, he heard Haruno’s whisper who was blending into the background. She whispered that this might be interesting. He is confused and turns to her, her eyes lit up with a suspicious glow

Haruno is blending to the background so she can listen to their conversation. After she heard that they want to meet Hayama, she started to plan something that will answer their expectation. But actually, she was calling Hayama to answer her own scheme.

Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) summons Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人) via smartphone. (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU TOO! やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。續 ep 3)

I assume that Haruno is planning to blow people she hates away for her own self-satisfaction and for her own peace of mind because I consider the body language (that is her eyes), her feeling toward Hachiman, and her feeling toward his love story and this girl for the consideration. If I need to explain shortly, she is planning to use Hayama to blow Orimoto away and use Orimoto and her friend to burn Hayama, got it?

  • Blow Orimoto away for her own self-satisfaction and peace of mind, blow her away from herself or herself and Hachiman.
  • Blow Hayama away for another self-satisfaction, blow him away to hurt his feeling. (??)

You might doubt if I am analyzing Haruno in Oregairu story. Does that perfect Yukinoshita Haruno do something for these reasons? These theories are unreasonable if I just say it without any clues. So I will explain about them definitely. For now, I guess she smiles to Hachiman so he will not know her objective.

Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) will not tell Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡). (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU TOO! やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。續 Ep 3)
Her defence is maximum!

Agility & Defence are her advantages!

Haruno suddenly raises her hand and announces she will introduce Orimoto’s friend to Hayato. Hachiman and Orimoto are wondering what she is saying so suddenly.

Let Onee-san introduces him to you.

Haruno takes out her cellphone so quickly and calls to Hayato. After 3 rings, she tells him to come now and says what she wants to say and hung up quickly. Wow, it seems she is confident he will come, she didn’t wait for his answer. Hachiman asks her what she is doing but she just sends him a big bright smile. After he saw her expression, he thinks she is enjoying too much.

I read comments in many sites about why Haruno went through the trouble to call Hayato and introduce Orimoto’s friend to him. Hachiman and some people comment that she just is having way too much fun and I too, thought the same. Yeah, why not? I was confused why she does this and I should agree with Hachiman’s comment, don’t I?

Agility

Summon hero via smartphone!

However, right now I don’t think she will do everything and so quickly just for fun but no any meaning. She heard Orimoto’s friend wants to see Hayato and Haruno knew he can solve her unease feeling (or should I say, wipe out her unease feeling). He is a good chance so that’s why she took out her cellphone and summoned him. She does this and that so quickly because the chance will vanish soon if she doesn’t hurry. (??)

Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人) is going to be taken photo by a certain kouhai. (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU TOO! やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。續 anime)

When I wrote Haruno’s chance will vanish soon if she didn’t hurry. I have my own reasons. I guess that time is evening and Haruno would calculate what Hayato is doing right now and where he should be. Like Orimoto said, he is in the soccer club so daily training during after school is normal. Haruno would know his schedule too so she knows she needs to call him as fast as possible, or else he would go back home and her chance will disappear like that if she doesn’t summon him quickly. Her agility is so high so it’s no problem~ But her behavior also reflects how much her discontent within her mind to the point she picked her phone to call him immediately at the second she heard Orimoto and co. want to meet Hayama, who she also hates. The equation is to match people she hates so the certain girl will go away from her (Haruno) comfort zone and another one will taste her punishment soon. Do you see how she can think all of these within 1 minute? Or I should say, how a certain author spent so much time to design Haruno’s plan.

How can I miss this chance?

DEFENSE

After Haruno’s agility works well, next is her defense. After she called Hayama, she knows everyone around her are confused what she is doing, and one of them is Hachiman. I can see he doesn’t understand why she needs to call Hayama. So in order to hide her objective, her cheerful mask was activated again or should I say, Anti-spyware software! with her “brighto” mask, it can hide her true intention, just like anti-spyware deletes all spyware in one click. I can’t underestimate her defense at all.

Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) will not tell Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡). (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU TOO! やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。續 Ep 3)
Her defense is maximum!

The one and only secret agent of Haruno

After Haruno called Hayama, she and everyone are waiting for him. Later, she hears somebody is climbing up the stairs in the store. She twists her body and looks at the direction of stairs. He comes for real!

At this point, I think Haruno knows well that he will rush to this cafe because…

  • she didn’t explain why she needs him to come.
  • and her tones didn’t show that this is an emergency either.

Haruno can summon Hayama to come to doughnut cafe although he would be tired from club activities. It’s like he is another ultra-rare card. At least I can tell you that Haruno didn’t call him to has some fun or wants to mess up but he will be her secret agent who will complete the mission for her.

And he will be the sacrifice for her own self-satisfaction at the same time.

To tell you the truth, I’m the one who surprised about Hayama more than Haruno. I mean, he hurried to doughnut shop as Haruno’s command although she didn’t tell any specific detail and he would be tired from his club activities. If I am him, I might not go to that place or if I need to go because the one who calls me is like my Onee-san, I would not hurry like he did. So that’s why I suspect that it is because his “Y” is… and wrote an analysis about it.


Oregairu Analysis – Finally, “Y” in Hayama’s Heart Was Revealed.
“Y” is Yu-…


And in the future, I might write a long analysis about Hayama in his point of view during this doughnut shop event too.

To sum it up, I feel that Haruno knows that Hayama will come to the cafe so it means that she would understand him well that he will not refuse her request. This issue is interesting.

How Hayama Falls Into Haruno’s Trap.

Haruno spreads her hands to Orimoto and her friend and tells Hayama that they want to be introduced to him. After that, they begin to chat together (except Hachiman). Orimoto and Nakasomething suggest going have some fun somewhere. Haruno crosses her arms and supports their ideas in a serious manner. She says they all should go have fun. After Orimoto and her friend heard Haruno supported them, they are more excited and discusses suitable places for them to have some fun.

How about this?
How about this?

We can see that Haruno supports this idea seriously. If you read my assumption earlier, you will know she doesn’t intend to support their idea for their sake. I can say she lures Hayama to blow Orimoto away via this “have fun together”. So I suspect Haruno knows from the beginning that those girls will have an idea to have fun together with this popular guy, Hayama or if they will not bring this idea to this discussion, I think she will be the one who will suggest it with her cheerful action! Because I don’t know why she called him just to meet them and just that or if she is the good onee-san? So if she calls him to come as Nakasomething’s expectation, Haruno is sure he has no choice but go with them, do as everyone wants.

Note: When Haruno said they all should go have fun. Hachiman is worried a little he should not go together with them. But he should not worried because Haruno has no intention to include him to this group from the beginning. She wants Hayato, Nakasomething, and Orimoto to have fun somewhere… (or should I say, she wants to blow Orimoto away from her and Hachiman by sacrificing Hayama).

Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡) doesn't know that Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人) will burn him soon. (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU TOO! やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。續 Ep 4)

However, You might disagree with me because Hachiman ends up to be the part of the double date in part 4. I can say for now it’s not “her intention” to include him. The real culprit is Hayama who wants Hachiman to go double date with him. To do so, he lur- umm makes Haruno to forc- umm convince Hachiman to that date. But this is not BL definitely. Things happen and change the situation after this. I decided to explain everything I discovered so if you read every parts, you will get the answers. But I will not swear I will write everything since there are too many things/factors happen in LN v8.

Dispel darkness away.

Haruno: I will have 5 donuts!     Hayato: Me too.     Hachiman: …How can they eat that much?

And then, it’s time to leave. Orimoto and Nakasomething say goodbye and leave from the shop. So this is how Haruno uses Hayama to blow Orimoto away from her and a boy who confessed to her. And her operation is 80% successful. The remainder in this operation that I need to explain is how she uses Orimoto and Nakamachi to blow him away that “it began already” since he arrived this cafe and went along with these three girls.

However, we need to remember that Hayama would know that she used him to hang out with those girls so he is upset. After two girls disappeared completely,.. Haruno was glared… by Hayato, he asks her why she did something like that. She answers with smiled without a hint of shyness that It looked like it’d be fun. This reaction is how to ease his understandable moodiness. After he saw her reaction, he “sighs” that is the sign that he gives up to make her explain by herself. I think it is difficult for him (and most people) to deal with someone who knows how to dispel resentment of others, especially Hayama who comes to her side as soon as she called him.

Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人) can't Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃)'s shining smile. (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU TOO! やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。續 anime ep 3)

And please don’t believe in her words 100%. When she says it looks like it’d be fun, it means no normal fun in her head. …Or is this normal fun? Readers/watchers might see her as the enigma but after I discovered her feelings, she is not different from other girls. That’s why it’s normal fun. Anyway, I can tell you that it is not just fun, there are her negative emotions and thoughts that brought her to do this. She just brings Hayama to be the sacrifice in order to blow Orimoto away. Of course, using him to blow that girl away is not the one reason. I will explain another reason later. But I will analyze something first.

Damn it! …How can I resist this smile?

Nameless and Hiding The Truth From Hachiman.

Hayama asks Haruno again why Hachiman is here. She tells him “the girl one with the perm” was someone Hachiman liked a long time ago. She wonders how her sister will feel if she knows about this. Moreover, she asks this question to Hachiman instead and sends him a smile.

I’m just interested, nothing more than that!

Just a few speeches of her made me notice three interesting notices. So I highlighted three suspicious texts above. Let’s see why…

Nameless

The first thing I want you to notice. Haruno is similar to Hayama who shows her unfriendly attitude via calling names. There are characters who she “changes” or avoid to call their names.

Yuigahama’s case

You can see when Haruno calls Yui’s name, she changed Yui’s name as “Gahama-chan”. She can call other people’s name correctly. (such as Komachi, Hiratsuka-sensei, Hachiman, Meguri and Iroha). But in the case of Yuigahama, she just cut “Yui” from her surname. I don’t know I’m right or not, but this is Haruno’s way to deny a girl who named “Yui”. She doesn’t even want to call this girl’s name.

This might be oot but not quite. I don’t know if Yuigahama knows about this or not, but I think she is a smart girl and has good sense when it comes to people in society. Therefore, I can see her feels unease a bit when Haruno is near her. Maybe it is because she can sense that Yukinon’s older sister didn’t like her since this big sis approaches her crush but she pulled him away from Haruno and said as if Hachiman didn’t like her (Haruno) action but she was the one who disliked her approach to her (Yuigahama) crush.

Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡) Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) Yukinoshita Yukino (雪ノ下 雪乃) Yuigahama Yui (由比ヶ浜 結衣) Hikigaya Komachi (比企谷 小町) Totsuka Saika (戸塚 彩加) . (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Anime ep8)

TL: Um… Hikky I doesn’t like that!

But Yuigahama’s social skill is high so she still maintains her attitude, talks with her although her feeling toward Haruno is another thing. The same kind of people usually understand each other so I think Haruno is the same, talks with her friendly although her feeling toward this girl is another. That’s why I need to explain why Haruno cuts Yuigahama’s name.

The reason she intended to change Yuigahama’s name, I guess because when she saw Yuigahama for the first time (LN v4, anime ss1 ep 8, manga monologue v4), I will not say about this much but she suspects Yuigahama might have the feeling toward Hachiman (or should I say, she might be her l*** rival. And in v5, Haruno’s feeling toward Yuigahama is the same) or else she would not look at Yuigahama like that.

The moment Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) start hating Yuigahama Yui (由比ヶ浜 結衣) because she drags Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡) but tries to be innocent behind him and her sister, Yukinoshita Yukino (雪ノ下 雪乃). (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 anime ep 8)

Sagami’s case

For Sagami Minami (相模 南)‘s case, Haruno’s unfriendly attitude is in the upper level. She was not interested to call her correct name and was sarcastic to Sagami as well. (Somethinggami-chan, Amagami, and Chairwoman-chan) Chairwoman-chan might be good to hear for Sagami but I don’t think Haruno called her like that because she saw her as the chair, “chan” after chairwoman is the sign that reflects how Haruno didn’t respect her as that position. In Haruno’s opinion, I think the first nickname, somethinggami-chan is the alias Haruno wanted to call Sagami that showed how Haruno wanted to say something rude to Sagami but she needs to act as she was trying to think the names to confuse Sagami so she can hide her true feeling (she dislikes her) from Sagami so Amagami and Chairwoman-chan were used to that purpose but chairwoman-chan is not the name you will use to someone who you respect. When people are confused, they can be angry at you. And if I am not wrong, Haruno never calls Sagami as “Sagami-chan” or the chairwoman in the whole story.

Eh? Really?

 Orimoto’s case

For Orimoto’s case, it’s a different level more than Yui’s and Sagami’s cases. Haruno had no intention to call her name at all. But the different thing between her and two girls above is this girl didn’t do anything wrong. Rejecting Hachiman’s feeling is not wrong while those two girls above did something “wrong” to Haruno. When she said the girl one with the perm” was someone Hachiman liked a long time ago. She should say “Orimoto” too but she never did that and she never calls her name even once. Maybe this is just my imagination but when I saw Yui and Sagami’s cases, I don’t think she didn’t call Orimoto’s name because she has no chance to call her name. If you already read my part 2 (link is above), you would realize why Haruno refuses to call Orimoto’s name but never alter her name either.

Hiding The Truth From Hachiman.

I think Haruno would hide her intention like usual but she doesn’t mind if Hayama will know because her answer is like the explanation that explains everything (her reason why she did this) to him. If you continue to read this post, I will explain why she doesn’t mind. But don’t forget there is another guy who is sitting there. In the case of Hachiman, it is different. I guess Haruno doesn’t want Hachiman to know her true intention. To explain why she tries to hide it from him, I think he is one of the main factors that made her do all of these, …because Orimoto told her that he confessed his feeling to her that is what Haruno feels … like that and can’t accept this until she decided to match this girl to go with the one she hates. And it is hard to believe this but yes, I am meaning this Haruno.

For hiding the truth from him, she uses the word she uses regularly, “Yukino” to hide her intention and to bend Hachiman’s attention to her little sister instead like this. ⇓

“That’s not true! That girl, ah, the one with the perm I mean. That girl was someone Hikigaya-kun liked a long time ago apparently! Isn’t that really interesting? I wonder what kind of face Yukino-chan would make if she knew about this, hmmm… Right, Hikigaya-kun?”

This highlight speech is added for these reasons. If she just says without this speech, it is possible that he will suspect her that is what she wants to avoid. Yes, Haruno wants to hide the truth from him. Is it impossible for humans to reveal their desires that they know well that those desires are unpleasant in people’ eyes? I saw that every month in the real world. If you look from her point of view or be Haruno, there are two boys in her vision. She is explaining her reason to Hayama while is trying to hide the truth from Hachiman. That’s why I will divide her words to two sections.

 

Her explanation to Hayama:
“That’s not true! That girl, ah, the one with the perm I mean. That girl was someone Hikigaya-kun liked a long time ago apparently! Isn’t that really interesting?

Her attempt to hide the truth from Hachiman (& readers/watchers):
I wonder what kind of face Yukino-chan would make if she knew about this, hmmm… Right, Hikigaya-kun?”

 

Even the small signs such as her turning her head to Hachiman and asking him are the actions to make the one who is asked turn away. Turning away means she wants Hachiman to stop to be interested in her objective. And she knows how he will respond if she did these.

This is why I conclude that she doesn’t mind to let Hayama know her reason while she doesn’t want Hachiman to know her reason. I recommend you to remember this short conclusion first so you can follow their feelings, especially Haruno since this is the analysis of her. Remembering this will help you understand why she tells her reason to Hayama. Because after this point is the explanation another reason why she lured him to this date.

Other examples that show Haruno uses the word, “Yukino” to hide her true intention from other(s) appear in LN v4 & 8. In LN v8, you would read how she uses this word in Operation Fire Doughnut Part 1 already.


Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) is patting on Hikigaya Hachiman's back (比企谷 八幡), while Yukinoshita Yukino (雪ノ下 雪乃) is watching. (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 Ep 6)Oregairu Analysis – “Before” Haruno Decides to Help Yukino.
In LN v4, Haruno uses it again when she encounters a new character, Yuigahama. If you want to know why Haruno uses this trick again, feel free to read this post.


Encourage soldier before proceeds to the red zone.

Haruno stands and taps Hayato on the shoulders.  She says…

“Well, anyway, why don’t you go hang out with them? It might actually turn out to be pretty fun and go well for you.”

Maybe you don’t know yet, but this is the important moment of Hayato and Haruno (surely Hachiman didn’t know about the true meaning of Haruno’s remark) that didn’t appear in anime and manga -Monologue-. The true meaning of this remark of Haruno is…

She rejected Hayato indirectly but surely.

You might believe me, and that is understandable. But his reaction tells me how he is feeling after she said like that. After she spoke, his shoulders drop. He tries to refuse but she takes his words lightly. Although I wrote earlier that she told why she made him join the date with those girls, her remark this time tell him everything. I am sure that she knows he has a feeling for her or else she would not say as the red words above.

Haruno suggests Hayato to go hang out with two girls, she thinks he might have fun with them too and she means one of the girls might be his girlfriend as well. Maybe this is her goodwill but I don’t think she wishes him well. I think Haruno knows how Hayato will feel if she said like that.

Because of her action and words above, I don’t doubt that she would know Hayato’s feeling for “Y” but she doesn’t care he will suffer at all. She matched Hayato with two girls (or Orimoto only) so they can have fun together and leave her and the one she is fond of alone.

…Hayato, she will never forget your sacrifice. (Salute!)


The TRUTH(s) Behind Hayato’s Sacrifice For Hachiman (Part 1)

Hayama feels depressed after heard Haruno’s answer because he finally knows why she lures him to this doughnut cafe. I already wrote the analysis in his point of view, there you can read his feeling after he felt in her trap. This post is like the mirror of Haruno’s operation part 3 or this page. How his hope reverses to despair.


If you read Haruno’s operation Part 2, you would know her feeling toward Orimoto. So eliminating a boy who she hates by using the girl who she hates, will satisfy her.

I can feel that Haruno doesn’t care about Hayato (look from her different reaction (that is different from her reaction when she saw Hachiman) after she saw Hayato & he tried to step in beside Hachiman to stop her to approach that guy, and the atmosphere between both of them when they saw each other that Hachiman can sense it during the School Cultural Festival in LN v6). And this time too, interpreting their feelings is a bit difficult. She doesn’t listen to him when he is trying to say it’s no way, I notice she has no intention to consider his feeling at all. And when I look at her plan to set up this date, I assume that she would plan this because of what he did to her little sister in the past that is destroying her (Haruno) automatically. (??) Why do I think like this? Because everything has its own factor. And I will reveal this to you later, somewhere, some post. I think I would reveal this in “the conclusion of Haruno’s operation & the truth(s) behind Hayato’s sacrifice (the last part)”.

What is Haruno aiming for this dating group (If I set the bar so high)?

If I set the bar sooooo high, I will think that Haruno expects Hayato to see the calamity in the future, after she rejected him here. And she expects Orimoto to get more problem soon.

Haruno plans to burn Hayato and those girls (especially him and Orimoto) by setting this trap in the double date. And do you still remember Yukino got bullied by other elementary girls and she ended up hating Hayato? She and he would not be a couple (elementary) but it is not surprising if they are close friends, and other girls can’t stand that scene (those two are too close) so Yukino is their targets.

I don’t know what really happened back then, but the result is Yukino hates Hayato and went to study abroad. Haruno, who cares for her sister, couldn’t accept this too. And I am sure she would know what happened in this tragedy from Yukino’s condition or Hayato. So when I see her hatred (look from this scene in LN v8), I can feel she hates Hayato so much, from the bottom of her heart. And I think she has her own reason to hate someone. Because why does she hate him if he doesn’t do anything wrong, does she? So when I look from her operation to burn him and those girls with the date, I think she wishes him to fall to hell because of “girls and the gang”, the similar tragedy that ever happened to her sister.

Orimoto Kaori & Nakamachi Chika show clothes they choose to Hayama Hayato. (Oregairu Zoku ep4)
Like this (no Hachiman in this group), people who saw them, can misunderstand and cause rumor.

If Hayato goes to date with other girls, other students in Zobu will see them (such as Miura, Ebina, Tobe, and Isshiki). He and those girls will get trouble if this will cause the rumor in their school. Not only Zobu but Orimoto’s school too (I forgot its name).

What might happen to Orimoto and Nakasomething.
  1. Other girls and the gang who are super jealous and might set the bullying game to Orimoto and Nakasomething.
  2. Or the “rumor” will spread in both schools, I know Nakasomething just wants to go have fun with this cool guy. But from other people’s point of view, they can misunderstand and makes the gossip worse. When people gossip about the rumor, the rumor can change into the worse rumor. They can’t ask those girls directly, but nothing will stop them from gossip. So if Orimoto and Nakasomething are the topics of this rumor, can you imagine if they will feel? In the beginning, they might be confused but pleased because they get the attention but I don’t know how they will answer if someone asks them about the sensitive question such as their relationship since Hayato never hung out with any girl before. Every answer both girls said will be seasoned in the future by others.
  3. If 2) happens, Orimoto and Nakasomething will get more trouble in case the rumor is worse because the teacher will call them to ask what really happened. Although they might try to explain to teachers, how can they prove this?
  4. If 1) & 2) don’t happen, 3) might not happen either. But I am sure the normal rumor will make Orimoto and Nakasomething get some trouble since they will be the center of the spotlight. It’s up to social’s mercy.

But if this bullying game or the worst rumor happens, “Haruno’s love rival”, will be burned to ash.

What might happen to Hayato?

Since Hayato went to have fun with two girls, “the rumor” might happen in Sobu (I’m not sure the rumor will be bad like this or not, but he can’t avoid the rumor since some people will see them are together). The experience in LN v10 makes me understand that if he is with a girl, even there are other people too, people will see only what they want to see. Since he is the most popular guy, some people might be surprised but amazing in what he did. However, this ultra-rare rumor will spread quickly. It will not be surprising if every student will be interested. That perfect boy who never hung out with any girls hung out with unknown girls. It’s up to social who will design the rumor to be normal or worse.

If the rumor happens, the peaceful life of Hayato will end. Why? His AT-field (Miura) would not stand this (since she and Ebina saw them).

If Miura can maintain herself, it is good. But if it’s not? So what’s next is when he is not covered by AT-field, almost every girl will think they can have the chance to be close to him (just like when some girls try to confess love to him since the rumor between him and Yukino spread). Some girls might think he and those girls might be not like they are worried and the good news that Orimoto and Nakasomething are students from another school, so they should have better chance to win his heart. The Hayato war begins!! So almost every girl will participate in this war to win this handsome boy’s heart who has no girlfriend yet. And he can’t expect AT-field from Miura. Every day in school can be the endless loop for him that we can see in v10.

That’s not enough. If Tobe, Yamato, and Ooka were not considered by girls because they want Hayato only, do you think what will happen next? Those Yamato and Ooka might feel sympathy for him but it might change to jealous/inferior to him (similar what Haruno told Hachiman and Yui about Yukino’s friend abandoned her). Since Hayato is friendly, he would not face the same experience with Yukino’s. They would maintain the relationship with him but who knows? The unpleasant feeling might remain inside their hearts, except Tobe who falls in love with Ebina who is not interested in Hayato at the beginning.

He will be “the popular loner”, and that position is what he is scared the most. He tries to be nice so everyone will not harm him but with Haruno’s operation, that tragedy would be possible. Except he can wipe out the rumor by using other girls as he did in v10. If he can do that, the damage from the rumor will end but the truth that the rumor gave him some trouble is not impossible.

This is the origin of Haruno’s ultimate noble pha magic, Fire Tornado. (since her name means the sun, maybe she has fire element.)?

I wrote those two assumptions above to test the possibility. Writing them so I can compare which one is the most possible. It’s better than falling into the whirlpool of confusion. It’s good I can find out my own conclusion.

What is Haruno aiming for this dating group (If I set the bar lower)? (Update again!)

Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡) Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人) (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku ep4)

Above is the worst circumstance Haruno might expect Hayato will face it in the future if he goes to the group date with those girls. But it’s still too realistic to happen at the same time, because if you already read LN v8 or anime Zoku ep 4, manga -Monologue- v8, whatever that she was expecting after the donut cafe, didn’t come true already because Hayato used this date for his own objectives. So her intention for this dating group is still mysterious. However, if I rethink that

  • One thing I am sure about her objectives, I notice she used this chance to push Orimoto (the one Hachiman (who Haruno is looking for) ever confessed) to Hayato for her self-satisfaction. Imagine when she matched “two people who she hates [Hayato & Orimoto]” and drove them somewhere far away.
  • If her hatred to burn Hayato is not the calamity like I mentioned above, but just let him know her true feeling toward him?
  • Or/and if she didn’t expect Orimoto to get more trouble because of the rumor I mentioned earlier, but for something that is easy to understand for Hayato and Haruno?

I will say that her hatred toward him because of the certain incident that her sister suffered because he didn’t help her, during late elementary school period is something that I must consider why Haruno hates him so much. Yukino’s cataclysm is Haruno’s cataclysm. Because it’s no way she will hate him without any reason, hate him because she just wants to hate him is not something I will believe.

If she who took care of him since childhood and she seems to like him as Onee-chan and little brother, but changed her mind and hates him instead, there is must be an incident that made her can’t like him anymore, and that incident must happen in their past. And the incident between Haruno, Hayato, and Yukino is the only one (I think you know what that incident is). Maybe he was the main cause of that incident and Haruno can’t forgive him (and even herself – in case Yukino asked her for help too) because he had run away from the situation by doing things mid-way for her sister.

But that is just the case of Hayato was the only one who Yukino or Haruno asked him for help. But if I consider it’s possible that Yukino might ask her older sister too (who was another close one and she always depended on her), and if Haruno who always answered Yukino’s expectations, couldn’t help her from the situation? Do you think their relationship will be crumbled or not? This can explain how Yukino acts like that to her older sister every time they meet in Oregairu story. When we watched their present relationship, I think, yes, their relationship is not close like in the past. So the next question is…

No One Could Save Yukino.

If their relationship was ruined because no one could save her little sister, and the one who could do that the most, ran away, how does Haruno feel toward herself and him?

Actually, I got a new clue from her words in a certain ∨n, that clue is not clear and I have no solid evidence to confirm that clue is reliable or not. But because it’s not clear because it’s a random hint and because WW’s style makes me trust unclear clues. Anything that is so clear, is not a reliable clue in Oregairu. And that clue from Haruno is…

Haruno: You can’t forgive yourself and others to run away.
(I can’t remember every word and which ch, sorry. But I remember this is her word when she is talking with Hachiman in some cafe.)

If I use this clue to analyze their tragedy, I assume that Haruno was another one who got involved with that incident too although she would be the middle school student at that time… Although I can’t confirm yet that “the incident” is bullying in the school or problem within the family, but if WW tries his maximum super supreme gigantic best to hide the bullying in the school until now, I will bet that the incident is about a problem within the family (I think each Yukinoshita sisters and Hayato would think the other two were like the family) and the school. So my assumption is like this.

Yukino asked her big sister for help too. But she couldn’t answer her expectations, so their sibling relationship was shattered because Yukino’s objective to rely on Haruno ended (the same case when Hachiman can’t answer Yukino’s expectation to save her from her mom in LN v11).

The reasons her little sister studied abroad would not happen because of this reason only but other factors as well but one of the reasons is Yukino couldn’t trust her sister and Hayato anymore since the incident proved to her that they couldn’t reliable when the disaster reached her. The truth about “her family” and the flame from the bullying made her need to escape to study at another place far away.
That is one of the reasons Haruno is always alone and “scared” when her little sister asks her for help with the same speech with “that time” again during the festival that caused her to “activate cold aura” to prevent Yukino from “asking help from her”. You might not believe that Haruno, that Haruno is scared when Yukino said “Nee-san, help me.” so you should check this fact in v6.

And that is the reason Hayato was hated by Yukinoshita siblings despite he loves the older sister…

If I TL Haruno’s words in νn…

Haruno: You can’t forgive yourself and others to run away.
TL:
Haruno: I can’t forgive myself and others (I am not sure if she means Yukino too or not but at least Hayato is in this equation) who ran away.

The result Haruno wants.

So to this point, Haruno who hates Orimoto because she was the one who Hachiman confessed his feeling, heard from her that her friends want to meet Hayato, the one who she hates the most, the hatred feeling in her mind because of what Orimoto said proudly previously (you would know what I mean) drives her to call him to come as Orimoto’s friend wishes. And she just sticks them together so they can “have fun”, so they will get away from her (and even Hachiman). Prepare the yacht for them and say goodbye to them to be happy together.

When Hayato asked her why she did this, she answered indirectly because she used “Yukino-chan” to block Hachiman so he will not understand and but her answer still contains the hint that made him feels gloomy (because Orimoto is the one who Hachiman ever confessed to, so she decided to stick that girl with Hayato so they will go away from her and Hachiman). Her doing to get rid of the one she is envy is understandable and will make her satisfied. I assume that she uses him because she can pierce the javelin to Hayato at the same time because the damage he did to her still remains until this day. The factor will lead to another factor.

What will happen to Orimoto?

If I set the bar lower, I think Haruno just wants to get rid of the existence of this girl who got what she (Haruno) wants (was confessed by Hachiman) to comfort her only. So whatever that might happen to Orimoto if she and her friends have fun with Hayato, is not what Haruno will calculate anymore.

What will happen to Hayato?

If I set the bar lower, I explained how he is feeling after she rejected him there already. So I will let you imagine how he is feeling if the person he has feeling for, rejected him and doesn’t care who he “will have fun” with. Of course, the nightmare he will meet in the future if he will go with those girls is still possible since he is the popular guy who never hung out with only girl(s) before. But I don’t know Haruno is expecting him to have “more problems” after that date or not, but it’s possible that she just wants to push him along with that girl because of her own burning emotion and because of that burning emotion or not I can’t confirm anymore, but she is pleased to make the one who destroyed her, suffer.

ps. If you didn’t read LN v8 yet, it’s no way you can see the scene when Haruno rejects Hayato. The scene in manga -Monologue- was cut but some scene still remains. In anime Zoku ep3, there’re no scenes about this.

When I consider the two possibilities (set bar high or low), I think the possibility when I set the bar lower is more reasonable. Because I don’t believe she will drag Nakasomething to get the trouble too. And the burning emotion of Haruno is the main factor while the hatred toward Hayato is the product she can harvest by seeing him suffer. His suffering is like the opportunity (because she heard Orimoto’s friend want to see him) and that would satisfy her enough because she hurt him three times, set the trap for him to be with the former crush of Hachiman despite he thought she needs him so he rushed to this cafe, convince him to go have fun with those girls and pray he might get a girlfriend, and approach the one she is fond of “in front of” him… I can count 4 times if I include “turns her head and waves her hand to Hachiman in front of Hayato” too although it also is possible she doesn’t do that to hurt Hayato but it’s just her respond for the person she is looking for only. That is why I believe that she got happy points enough and didn’t expect the long-term result. I don’t believe her jealous and hatred will direct her to the point I set the bar so high.

The one who she is fond of?

Look at her sight.

Haruno watches her silver wrist watch and announces it’s time to leave. She collects her belongings as she says with high speed. She shuffles over to Hachiman and whispers, thank you for hanging out with her, in his ear.

Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) whispers to Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡) in front of Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人). (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU TOO! やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。續 ep3)

He can’t stand because his ears are sensitive so he takes 2-3 steps back from her, at that moment, she dashes to the stairs quickly. She turns her head and waves her hands to his direction.

…It seems the way Haruno reacts to Hachiman and Hayato are totally different. You can see clearly how different when she treats Hachiman, compare with how she treats Hayama. With this operation, she throws Hayama away along with Orimoto, while she didn’t do anything bad to a certain person after all.


Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃), the guardian of Yukinoshita Yukino (雪ノ下 雪乃). (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 anime ep 10)But this is not the first time Haruno showed how different she treats between Hachiman and Hayama. If you ask me about the first time she showed her feeling toward these boys, that time is the School Cultural Festival period. That scene didn’t show in anime and manga -Monologue- so if you see those mediums only, you will not find this interesting scene of these three characters. If you want to see this scene, you can explore in LN v6, but if you already read but still don’t get it, I recommend this Oregairu Analysis – “After” Yukinoshita Haruno Decides to Help Yukino. (The First Part). I hear thunder near the planning committee room.


When she stands up to leave from the shop, I suspect she looks at Hachiman because he is her accomplishment or how he is the one she is looking for. Why do I think like this? Because with my analyses from part 1-until now, The operation fire doughnut I titled is how she did things with burning emotion (envy).

Don’t worry, Hachiman. Haruno doesn’t mean you when she asks to let her know any progress. He thought she asks info from him. But don’t forget there’s another person who is near him too.

Her goodbye tells us how Haruno does not care about Hayato’s feeling.

Haruno says to Hachiman’s direction if there is any progress, let her know too. Hachiman thinks she was talking to him but he doesn’t think he will go with them. However, he still nods to Haruno as she leaves.

When she says this, I suspect she doesn’t say to Hachiman but since she doesn’t call Hachiman or Hayato’s name, it makes Hachiman misunderstands that she says to him. So I assume that she says this to Hayato. I suspect Haruno is so sarcastic to Hayato until the last minute. Don’t forget she stabs him the three despairs ( 1) when he knows she sets the trap. 2.) when she tells him the reason. 3) when she gives him sarcastic encouragement. 4) when she approaches to Hachiman in front of him, or I should say “Fire Dagger” since the monster in her stomach like now is the fire monster. This time, she doesn’t forget to throw the last Fire Dagger long distance to him by saying goodbye like that. It’s like the last jab, not powerful but accurate. “Any progress” she mentions is the progress between Hayato and the girl she pushed to him, Orimoto. Personally, I don’t think Haruno is serious, she just acts as if she is an Onee-san who wishes well for her little brother despite the truth she matched them together to make him suffer. This also reflects how she is not interested in his feeling toward her. OK. I got it. I got how much her hatred toward him.

ps. And still, Hachiman doesn’t know what happened.

So what’s on Hayato’s mind?

If you read to this point, you might be curious if my assumptions are correct for real. I can understand if you wonder, so I wrote the truths behind Hayama Hayato’s sacrifice for Hachiman (part 1) that focuses on what happens in the doughnut cafe via Hayato’s pov. Writing the analysis via his pov is the good starting point so we can understand his thoughts because they connect with “his plan after that”, that is all he will do during the double date. This event is the most complex drama I ever saw in my life. That’s why writing the analysis with his pov is the result. In this part 1 will start when Hayato receives a call from Haruno to come to the doughnut cafe. You can find out his thoughts & feelings when he got this call until he tells Hachiman about her after she left the cafe. His thoughts and feelings after Haruno’s actions are his important motivation to “modify” this date for his own show. I hope these two analyses might help you reach the truth. Or if you are not sure about this, I recommend you to read Oregairu LN v8.

Conclusion of Part 3

The purposes of operation fire doughnut

The purposes are based on Haruno’s desire. Moreover, the quote from Hayato after Haruno left from doughnut shop can give us some valuable hints. He said…

…Why not me?

“If she doesn’t have any interest in something, she wouldn’t act so cheeky like that… She wouldn’t do anything. She’ll meddle so much with what she likes (Hachiman) to the point of killing it. For the things she hates (himself), she’d go the extra mile to crush them (him).”

Hayama’s quote confirms my assumption about how different when Haruno treats Hachiman and Hayama. And I think you can see how Haruno went the extra mile to crush him.

Will Hachiman be involved with her operation or not?

  • Nope. Haruno will not invite Hachiman to go hang out with them. If she wants him to go with this group, she would do something to pull him into this group in the first place. And as my [two assumptions] why Haruno did this, Hachiman might be related to her motivation to do this, but she wants to crush Hayato’s mind and use Orimoto for that and to get rid of them at the same time. So I don’t see why Hachiman becomes the victim of her hatred since he didn’t get the mental damage from her action.
  • Moreover, Haruno didn’t see why Hachiman needs to go with them. She would not want to see him hangs out together with Orimoto, right?
  • But later, we will know Hachiman ends up in this double date too, right? I can say Haruno forces him to go with Hayama’s group because Hayama can make her feels curious. You can read part 4 for more info.

Who is Haruno’s loyal subordinate who answered her expectation (or his own expectation)?

You know that already, don’t you?

The targets of this operation.

  1. Orimoto Kaori
  2. Hayama Hayato

Civilian

Hikigaya Hachiman and Nakasomething

The commander of operation Fire Doughnut

Yukinoshita Haruno

If I believe that her objective to call Hayato to have fun with those girls because of the short-term results, that are pushing Orimoto away to Hayato, and going the extra mile to crush him along the way, I think her operation ends at this point, in the doughnut cafe.

Next Release

In the next part, it might be the last part or not, I don’t know. If I’m sure part 4 will be the last part, I will update this in “Short Updates and Attentions” on the front page.

Despite everything she planned, ended, it appears that she decides to call Hachiman and invites him to go to the date group. Why did she change her mind and include him to that group? And who changed her mind? You will know all the answers in part 4. That moment or my part 4 is the moment when Haruno and Hachiman fall into someone’s trap, this is what I can tell you for now.

Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡) can't believe Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) will call. (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU TOO! やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。續 ep 4)
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Haruno Launches OPERATION Fire Doughnut

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The truths behind Hayato’s sacrifice for Hachiman.

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  1. Again, thanks for the hard work! Although, I want to point out something. I kinda felt Haruno did feel interested when he saw Hachiman and Yukino before. But she is only interested because some boy is near to her beloved little sister. She got more interested when the Festival started. I meant the event were Hachiman said some harsh words to Sagami. And the fact that he saw more of her when Haruno said, “But as long as you played as the villain, you get a heroic response. If the enemy slacks off the enemy group doesn’t grow. Conflict brings about the development of technology”. To which Hachiman says, “So did you purposely make-“. Then she shushes him with a finger. Haruno is interested before in Hachiman, because someone had the balls to talk to Yukino and at least walk with her. We are talking about the Yukinoshita’s here(They are beautiful, cold blooded, unworldy giving aura people out here!). Then came along the Sagami incident to which she gotten more interested. Haruno now sees Hachiman as a delicate toy she wants to play, tease, play, tease until she gets bored on it one day(but it doesn’t seem like it as she continues to make contact to Hachiman frequently later on.) You could say Haruno is a doting sister who wants the best for her little sister. She wants her to stop chasing her and have a dream for once to give her the meaning of being real. I have the belief that Haruno really really loves her little sister, harsh things she must do for her not to be dragged along on her family’s pressure(mainly the matriarch). Haruno gets disappointed because she felt that someone wants to take her toy away hence the operation fire doughnut.

    Alongside with that, Hayato… I believe that Hayato likes Haruno. But before I get to that. I imagine something happened like these back when they are young. All three of them are best of friends. Until someone tried to break that rule. Hayato broke that rule. That time, Yukino kinda have a crush on Hayato while Hayato had a crush on the elder Yukinoshita. Broke the harmony the trio led to bitter things. Haruno getting angry that Hayato has hurt her beloved little sister. So Hayato makes me up for it until now, to get the approval of the elder Yukinoshita. Hint that they are so close back then and their relationship is more closer than before. Episode on season 2 where Hayato accidentally calls Yukino by, “Yukino-chan”. Too affectionate Hayato, too affectionate.

    Also, Haruno pushing Hayato to Orimoto’s group just to get a girlfriend is what she wants. So he could stop already for doing bad things to her little sister. That’s what I think. Argghh, once again, I lost my train of thought! That’s my little analysis and a little disagreement in a little part on your analysis. Thanks for the hard work! 🙂 Cheers mate!

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    1. But she is only interested because some boy is near to her beloved little sister. She got more interested when the Festival started.

      I think we saw 8man’s bravery and Onee-san admired him clearly so I understand your comment.

      I have the belief that Haruno really really loves her little sister.

      Yes, her love for sister is more than normal standard.

      All three of them are best of friends. Until someone tried to break that rule. Hayato broke that rule.

      When I did analysis about “Y” of Hayama, from his decision to save Rumi during summer camp, I agree with you he feels bad about his past that involved with Yukino or maybe her sister too.

      Yukino kinda have a crush on Hayato while Hayato had a crush on the elder Yukinoshita. Broke the harmony the trio led to bitter things.

      I can’t find solid evidence but it’s high possible that their bitter is like that. However, I think their shattered relationship happened by other people as well.

      Haruno pushing Hayato to Orimoto’s group just to get a girlfriend is what she wants. So he could stop already for doing bad things to her little sister.

      Well, in this part, our analysis are different but I am enjoyed to read other comments, and will always like to read. Please don’t hold back in next analysis of mine.

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  2. Hey there YahariBento, I just found your blog 2-3 days ago and I found your blog is very interesting and really worthy to read. Well, it might be OOT, but regarding to the comment from Quentin Shiro, I would like to share my thought (theory) about relationship and “incident” between Yukinoshita sisters and Hayato in the past, especially in this part:

    All three of them are best of friends. Until someone tried to break that rule. Hayato broke that rule.

    To do that, I’ll borrow your format a bit.
    1.DATA
    #1 when Hayato enter the Service Clubroom for the first time (LN vol.2, Anime SS1EP4). We could see that Yukino gave a very cold manner towards him.
    #2 Sometime at service club’s summer camp (LN vol. 4, Anime SS1EP8), Hayato stated that something similar with Rumi’s case had happened in the past to someone he know, and he couldn’t do anything about it.
    #3 when the discussion about solving Rumi’s case was going on (LN vol. 4, Anime SS1EP7), Hayato said that he would do anything he can do. But then replied by Yukino in displeased tones, especially in the part “anything he can do”
    #4 In LN vol.11, Anime SS2EP12, when the service club discussing with Yumiko, Ebina and Iroha about making a hand-made chocolate (the part about Hayato’ reason to decline receiving any chocolate in Valentine’s day to be specific) Yukino stated that Hayama had received one’s from a girl(s) in the past, the whole girls in the class (or even school) heard it, got freaked out and it made a heavy atmosphere in the class.
    #5 in the seminar about cooking chocolate (LN vol. 11, animeSS2Ep12) Haruno stated out loud that Yukino had gave Hayato a chocolate once on valentine’s day. Despite it was re-stated by Hayato, that was happened in their childhood and Haruno received one from her too.

    2.DECODING ALL DATA
    From data #1, we can confidently assume that Yukino held some kind of grudge (or a very deep negative emotion) against Hayato and something bitter happened between them in the past. What kind of grudge? Let’s put that aside for now.
    From data #2, we can assume that the one who’s experienced a similar experience with Rumi for being alienated is Yukino. Why? I think you’ve known why, but let’s put that aside again for now.
    From data #3, we can get a feeling that Yukino has a very deep disappointment to Hayato for the situation in that present and in the past (It’s become an answer for the question above, I hope you agree with me).
    From data #4, we can see that Hayato has been very popular in his childhood to the point where the girls went mad if there is any girl who’s close to him.
    From data #5, despite the fact that Yukino gave Hayato a Valentine’s Cocho in the past, we can know that the relationship between Haruno, Hayato and Yukino used to be very close.

    3.THEORY
    Now, this is my theory about what happened to the trio based on those data’s and my personal assumptions:
    On the Valentine’s Day in their childhood, Yukino gave Haruno and Hayato chocolates. (It’s just my assumption, but I think Yukino gave Hayama a love choco and Haruno realized about it somehow. But unfortunately, Hayama saw it as a mere obligatory/friendship choco). The girls at the school heard about it, freaked out and decide to bully Yukino (who’s been disliked by the girls even before this incident). Yukino who’s been bullied, expect Hayato to (be her prince and) save her from that situation. Unfortunately (again), Hayato can’t do anything about it (or to be precise, he can do something but can’t take any courage to do it for some reason) and decide to remain silent. (If your assumption about the “Y” person Hayato like is right, then, he didn’t want that person to misunderstand him for having some special “feeling” towards Yukino if he takes any actions, and it became his main reason to remain silent). As a result, Yukino’s felt really disappointed, betrayed and held a very deep grudge against him. Haruno who really love her sister, know about this incident, and begin to develop her dislikes toward Hayato for remain silent. (If your assumptions are right again, Yukino might be realize about the reason behind Hayato’s silent and begin to dislikes her sister). And thus, the relationship between those three began to torn apart.

    4.CONCLUSION
    Take apart my personal assumptions, here’s your conclusion:
    On the Valentine’s Day in their childhood, Yukino gave Hayato a chocolate. The girls at the school heard about it, freaked out and decide to bully Yukino who’s been disliked by the girls even before the incident. Yukino who’s been bullied, expect Hayato to save her from that situation. Unfortunately, Hayato felt he can’t do anything about it and decide to remain silent for some reason. As a result, Yukino’s feeling really disappointed and betrayed. Then, she held a very deep grudge against him. Haruno, who’s really love her sister, know about this incident, and begin to develop her dislikes toward Hayato for remain silent. And thus, the relationship between those three began to torn apart.

    btw, sorry for the long comment…

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    1. On the Valentine’s Day in their childhood, Yukino gave Haruno and Hayato chocolates. (It’s just my assumption, but I think Yukino gave Hayama a love choco and Haruno realized about it somehow. But unfortunately, Hayama saw it as a mere obligatory/friendship choco). The girls at the school heard about it, freaked out and decide to bully Yukino.

      I don’t know your theory is true or not, but if I imagine Yukino is a little kid back then, she would give her chocolate to Hayato and Haruno at the same time (maybe at Yukinoshita palace). One for her sister and one for her one and only childhood friend. I think she would show her expression (just like when she gave birthday gift and made fruit cake to Yui, she blushed clearly) toward Hayato, and Haruno saw that and assumed Yukino loved/liked Hayato. So she will support them (quietly or clearly, I don’t know).

      I don’t know Hayato realized Yukino’s feeling toward him or not (he still is a kid, back then). But if he knew, he, who has feeling for Haruno (maybe), would not want his beloved Onee-san matched them as a cute couple. I can imagine Haruno matched them and this made her sister blushed in MAX. Hayato would smile like always but didn’t buy that idea at all.

      Yukino liked Hayato. -> Hayato likes beautiful Onee-san. -> Haruno tried to match them after realized her sister’s love choco.

      Yukino who’s been bullied, expect Hayato to (be her prince and) save her from that situation. Unfortunately (again), Hayato can’t do anything about it (or to be precise, he can do something but can’t take any courage to do it for some reason) and decide to remain silent. (If your assumption about the “Y” person Hayato like is right, then, he didn’t want that person to misunderstand him for having some special “feeling” towards Yukino if he takes any actions, and it became his main reason to remain silent).

      I would not buy idea that other girls knew about Yukino’s choco but the bullying is true so Yukino would expect her only ally to protect her. Hope he will save her from piranha but her ally became NPC instead. He reminded when she gave him choco and Haruno saw that scene too so maybe one of reasons he became NPC would be he didn’t want that person misunderstood about their relationship. Another reason is his own fear. He can’t fight against social (powerful evil other girls) and sided with the only victim so that’s why he was NPC.

      btw, sorry for the long comment…

      Why did you say sorry? I like long comment so much. Thanks, @SuM ;3

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  3. I don’t know if it’s me or the fact that your theory seems to be leaning toward Haruno is interested in 8man romantically. My concern is that since there are 2 female characters who also harbors romantic feelings toward 8man: Yuigahama and (possibly) Yukino, adding Haruno into the mix means that 8man will essentially has a harem and i’m not exactly please about that since Oregairu depicts the relationships and dynamics between characters in a more sophisticated way and also because another light novel did the same thing that i feared (a.k.a Sword Art Online). However, if that’s indeed the direction you’re taking then i can see why it could work out that way, both 8man and Haruno are extremely intelligent (in term of their observational, analytics and problem solving skill). The dynamic between the two of them is akin to that between Sherlock Holmes and Irene Adler imo and Sherlock Holmes is similar to 8man in this case by the fact that both can tell that the other lady is hiding something but can’t explain what the other is hiding, how she hides it and why, therefore their relationship is much more engaging.
    Anyway,that’s my 2 cents about the matter, but i suspect much like Haruno, a writer like Watari could be hiding more details that are waiting to be revealed.
    p.s. I’m reading too much into this, Jesus Christ!

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    1. >>Yuigahama and (possibly) Yukino, adding Haruno into the mix means that 8man will essentially has a harem
      I totally agree with you that harem doesn’t make sense to happen in Oregairu. When I am writing analysis, I never see even any single clue in LN that it will go to that direction. But this is just my opinion while I reading and writing Oregairu only.

      Another opinion is I believe Hachiman will have friendship and romantic relationships in the end (no harem, friendship only, romantic only, loner). But I don’t have any solid evidences that will prove my thought. I just …don’t see why it will end like that if author picked “Genuine” to this story.

      About intelligence, I agree with you again Hachiman’s intelligence is on par with Haruno’s. But I will add Hayama too because after I finally see through his acting to save Hachiman, I am super gigantic shocked from his multidimensional plan. I plan to reveal his true purpose in the future too.

      In case you want to know how and why Haruno hides her true feelings.

      >>a writer like Watari could be hiding more details that are waiting to be revealed.
      I admit he is the master of stealth because there’re many things he is hiding.

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      1. thank you for your reply and for understanding why i think Haruno is unlikely to be romantically involved with 8man.
        About Haruno’s manipulation, i agree that she won’t try to manipulate the people she’s fond of, not knowingly that is. In part 5 of your analysis you pointed out that Haruno inherit some manipulation skill from her mother, and you also pointed out that those who manipulates don’t aware that they are. The reason why she chose 8man in the 1st place is because he understands her enough to know that she is using him without being upset by it (as 8man has used himself as a martyr many time before) but other people (excluding Hayato) will.
        I don’t think Haruno is evil by any means. If we judge every characters base on their action, 8man is arguably the most villainous as he’s willingly destroy (Tsugumi Rumi’s case), use (he ask Yumiko, Hayato and that other guy whose name i forgot) and hurt (himself and the two girls). God knows how many time he would do that if no one told him that he has been hurting people. Anyway, back to Haruno. I think her unknowingly manipulating her love ones are just about the only way she knows how to express her love as you’ve pointed out that she was raised in a controlled environment.
        p.s. I would love to be proven wrong about Haruno doesn’t have any special feelings for 8man though, after reading your analysis, it would be quite fascinating to see how it’ll play out.

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        1. About Haruno’s manipulation, i agree that she won’t try to manipulate the people she’s fond of, not knowingly that is. In part 5 of your analysis you pointed out that Haruno inherit some manipulation skill from her mother, and you also pointed out that those who manipulates don’t aware that they are.

          Thanks for remembering my assumption in this post. I understand you think Haruno is still manipulate people and I agree with you. However, I think all human’s minds are not static all the times (they are like waves and move 24 hours). I ever wrote about her manipulation to people, and I also comment she doesn’t mean to manipulate people she doesn’t hate. What I want to conclude is… in some rare occasion (like when she forces 8man to go on the double date), although she doesn’t hate him, she ends up manipulating everything around him so he has no choice but ends up go. Because she is curious why Hayama tries so much even bowed to 8man in order to invite him to the dates. I think her curious feeling makes her cross the line. This time she would not consider 8man’s feeling if he must go have fun with people who don’t mind to hurt his feeling. In this case, I never side with Haruno and say blindly that she will never hurt people she likes. Sometimes, impulse can win everything even Haruno’s generous.

          I notice Haruno is not different from other people when we talk about mind. She will do mistake, horrible things, fall, and ends up villain, but I’m sure she will never feel happy after she knows either, just like other characters who done the same things in Oregairu. Even Hachiman, Yukino, Yuigahama & other characters sometimes after know what they done, they regret but try to re-think and improve.

          What I want to conclude is if Haruno “likes” to manipulate people, I am sure she will do more than this. It’s regrettable no one will warn about what she did. Yukino is lucky she is warned by Haruno, 8man is lucky his teacher teaches him valuable lessons. But Haruno never was warned by others. And she never look at her doing either. It’s not surprised she is still lost. In the future I wish someone or a certain guy will warn her too.

          >>p.s. I would love to be proven wrong about Haruno doesn’t have any special feelings for 8man though, after reading your analysis, it would be quite fascinating to see how it’ll play out.

          It’s fine for us to have different opinions. Actually, it’s great to discuss why we think like that. After read your theory, I find out I must adjust my way of thinking too, because I sometimes, see characters as the static beings. This is my mistake. Your opinion helps me to guide to the correct way. But I will tell you that I still don’t agree with some thought of yours either (gomen). So it would be quite fascinating to see how it’ll play out.

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  4. “But I will tell you that I still don’t agree with some thought of yours either (gomen)”
    By all means, please don’t mind about it, I welcome a different mindset. Actually I was bother by the relationship between 8man and Haruno to the point of wanting to know beforehand how it will end up. If it won’t end the way i think it will i may write a fanfic about them or something (laugh hysterically!!). It’s more personal than anything really.
    The reason why i tend to think Haruno is on a more manipulative side is because i draw a lot of comparision between her and Patrick Bateman from American Psycho. Both character lives in a luxurious world, both find themselves surrounded by superficiality (appearance, relationship…), both have a tendency to think people as pawn in their game (although it’s worse in Patrick’s case), both seek control (for Haruno in your theory is to control her own life and give her sister control for her life, for Patrick it’s…everything!) and both has a nihilistic mindset (As you’ve pointed out in the 3rd memorandum Haruno was at a point of almost given up on everything). However, Haruno is still sensitive enough to consider the feeling of other people (beside Hayato anyway) while Patrick is beyond saving (at one point, the story is so disjointed and confusing that one have to wonder if Patrick is telling the story the way it actually happen or not). For that reason my opinion of Haruno tends to be bias toward how i view characters like Patrick Bateman.
    p.s. Did you draw comparison between any characters from OreGairu and characters from other works?

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    1. >>i may write a fanfic about them or something

      Wow! If you wrote, please upload in fiction site so I can read your work. (^ ^)

      comparision between her and Patrick Bateman from American Psycho. Both character lives in a luxurious world, both find themselves surrounded by superficiality (appearance, relationship…), both have a tendency to think people as pawn in their game (although it’s worse in Patrick’s case), both seek control (for Haruno in your theory is to control her own life and give her sister control for her life, for Patrick it’s…everything!) and both has a nihilistic mindset (As you’ve pointed out in the 3rd memorandum Haruno was at a point of almost given up on everything).

      I never watch this movie before. But hmm… your review is very interesting, since I’m focusing on Haruno’s story. I think I will search for this movie.

      >>p.s. Did you draw comparison between any characters from OreGairu and characters from other works?

      I actually try to compare Haruno, Hayama to other characters from other works since I write about them. But I still can’t find any characters who actually similar to them yet (although some people will compare Haruno with Izaya from Durarara!! and Hayama with Superman).

      Oh! I compared sibling relationship between (Haruno and Yukino) with (Tatenashi Sarashiki and Kanzashi Sarashiki from Infinite Stratos anime)! It can’t help to think they are hopeless to recover relationship again if there’s no middleman. I actually hope Haruno and Yukino will be happy siblings again (by 8man’s help).

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  5. “Wow! If you wrote, please upload in fiction site so I can read your work. (^ ^)”
    I doubt my writing skill can do Wataru Watari-sensei’s work justice.
    If you are interested in American Psycho but don’t really have the time, i suggest watching an analysis on the book by the youtube channel Wisecrack. Also American Psycho is quite a dark story (involving blood, murder, sex…) so watch at your own risk. I haven’t watched American Psycho myself but i found Patrick Bateman’s character to be quite interesting (i guess dark characters draw me in).
    Also, i notice that in OreGairu Watari-sensei have 8man monologue about his thought on various matter, which is something (drum roll please!) William Shakespeare used a lot in his work to study the mind of the characters instead of using it for exposition. However i’m not surprise his work is influenced by Shakespeare since he’s a pioneer of his time in creating character, plot building and language which is all things OreGairu is strong as (at least for me).
    p.s. I know this isn’t really related to the theory but i found OreGairu’s inspiration can also be found outside of the manga and anime realm and this really increase my appreciation for this work.

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    1. Whoa. Just look at the picture in search engine, I think it’s dark like you comment.

      >>i notice that in OreGairu Watari-sensei have 8man monologue about his thought on various matter, which is something (drum roll please!) William Shakespeare used a lot in his work to study the mind of the characters instead of using it for exposition. However i’m not surprise his work is influenced by Shakespeare since he’s a pioneer of his time in creating character, plot building and language which is all things OreGairu is strong as (at least for me).

      Is that so? I never read Shakespeare’s works so this is new to me. But I also agree Oregairu is strong in plot and characters that can attract readers.

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  6. Hi,

    I just read again the LN vol 8, so I wanted to read your assumption about Haruno Operation Fire Doughnut. To start, I have two question about your analysis.. I don’t really read the following part yet (I just look the main point), so perhaps the answer to my question is there.

    First, why do you say “Haruno don’t do that for her sister’s sake” ? Is is an assumption, or is from fact ?
    To my point of view, it seems that it just the result of your point that Haruno like Hachiman, so she does that for her, but personally, I don’t disconnect totally the fact that Haruno could do that for her and for her sister sake. It could be and equal motive, or perhaps one is the major and the other the minor (personally I guess for her > for her sister).

    Secondly, why do you think Haruno first plan was only Hayato and the two girls go out without Hachiman ? It is a guess or from fact ?
    What I understand from your analysis is you guess that because Haruno says they “all should go have fun”. That’s why I don’t understand this point because for me, if she say all, she could include Hachiman. Even Hachiman thought if he was included, because before that, he don’t even think about this possibility. If Haruno wanted that only Hayato would go out with the two cheeks, she could say “you should go out with them Hayato” to convince him to accept.
    For me, she use the word “all” because it is ambiguous. If she say in front of the two cheeks than Hachiman and Hayato should go, perhaps the two cheeks would react (with a grimace which say ” why him ? T-T”)

    Moreover, for me, this plan without Hachiman in this double date, is not really meaningful for me.
    You say that this plan without Hachiman, people will see them, would possibly generate rumor that will hurt Orimoto and her friend, and Hayama.
    For Orimoto and her friend, I think the risk is very low. I mean, it was just one date because, Haruno know that there will be nothing after that, so to be bullied, for just one date, it’s pretty big. Also, the probablity that someone will recognise them and Hayato is not very high ever. We can assume that Hayato is pretty famous outside the High school too, but Orimoto and his friend is another thing. So it must be someone who knows Orimoto or her friend, and Hayato, and this person will create a rumor from that, and this would cause some problem to Orimoto and her friend, for me, it quite a random plan.

    For Hayama, it’s more plausible, because if he is famous and he is famous for not going out with girl, the probabily that someone recognize him and will be curious about him with two cheek is higher, but not really certain too. And to assume that a rumor will propagate for just this, is not a very reliable plan. Moreover, Hayama could choose some place and some day, where the probability to be seen by people from his school is very low (but Hayama is stupid lol, even Miura could see him), and during the week end, they don’t need to wear uniform so the people that will see them will don’t know that the two cheek are from other high school, and he just can pretend that they are just some aquaintance from middle school that he met by chance, so nothing very serious could happen in this case even for him.

    So for me, this plan is not very well “plan”, so, it doesn’t suit to Haruno ingeniosity for me. Moreover, this plan is more design to annoy Hayama than Orimoto (there still have some probability to affect Hayama, but for Orimoto is so random) while the main target is Orimoto.
    And I don’t really think that for her, use Hayama have something with killing two birds with one stone. I don’t think Haruno hate Hayama, but instead, only despise him very much. And even if she hate him, she doesn’t need some pretext like Orimoto to hurt him. She could apply an other plan or this plan with any girl and Hayama.

    So that’s all for now, but with what I read quickly in the next part, I will have many other question or reflexion to share with you 😉

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    1. >First, why do you say “Haruno don’t do that for her sister’s sake” ? Is is an assumption, or is from fact ?

      I’m not sure which part do you mean? Can you please copy my assumption or/and the headline so I can find it easier.

      >Secondly, why do you think Haruno first plan was only Hayato and the two girls go out without Hachiman ? It is a guess or from fact ?

      It’s understandable if you think Haruno includes Hachiman in to this date group. But for your question, I will let you think when Orimoto asks him about Hayama. The reason she asks him because if he knows about this popular boy Nakasomething wants to meet, she would ask him to contact this hot guy. So it means both girls (especially, Nakasomething) wants to approach Hayama only.

      Yukinoshita Haruno volunteers to call Hayama Hayato for Nakasomething.

      And Haruno finds this opportunity to call Hayama, by pretends she is sociable enough so she will volunteer to organize this job instead Hachiman who is not close with Hayama like Orimoto expects.

      So when Hayama comes to the cafe, what both girls want is him only, not Hachiman. Who do they want him to go hang out with them, if who they want is the hot guy only? So if Haruno wants Hachiman to go to this date group, she must call him, say anything to force him to go, and even convince both girls to let him go too. But did she do all that? No.

      2nd reason – is it’s low possible Haruno wants Hachiman to go hang out with them (especially Orimoto). Why? If you read my analysis – Haruno’s Operation (part 2), you would know about “her feeling toward Orimoto that relates to Hachiman”. And yes, it’s my assumption only, but I notice from many clues in LNs. From this point, I assume she has no any intention to want him go hang out with “the girl who he ever confessed his feeling”.

      3rd reason – Haruno is high sociable, very smart & even has human observation skill, but although she’s not, she would notice Hachiman is uncomfortable in Orimoto’s existence (you would know the reason why). So it’s natural he doesn’t want to go hang out with the one who hurt his feeling in public before, from the beginning. I wrote in Haruno’s operation (part2) about she realizes Orimoto would not his friend. So if Haruno wants him to go hang out to this trial, she needs to do more than say “all of you should go hang out”.

      4th reason – if Haruno includes Hachiman to go like you assume, it’s possible too. But if it’s like that for real, the reason she calls Hayama I explained in this analysis, will wrong. And if it’s not like I analyzed, I will return and search for the reason why she volunteers to call him. Why does she call him? Because she is kind Onee-san? Or she wants to do that for girls she meets for the first time? Because she thinks it’s very interesting like she said before called him? Or she just wants Hachiman and Hayama have fun?

      So although Haruno says “all”, it doesn’t mean all of them. If she doesn’t force invite Hachiman specific, I don’t think he will go too.

      >Moreover, for me, this plan without Hachiman in this double date, is not really meaningful for me.

      I know your feeling. Because my assumption about the final result Haruno aims, becomes the bubbles, not exist anymore already. I will explain about this more in the last past of Hayama’s multidimensional plan so you will know the hidden story progress. So I will not say much. But I am sure that the reason Haruno called Hayama so he will go hang out with two girls, is relate to her own hatred because he must do something very bad in the past, that makes she hates him so much until now. And when explore in LN v1-11, the only thing he failed that is relate to her, is about what happened to her beloved sister, the precious one (because he never do something bad to Haruno directly, I judge from LN).

      So about the final result I mentioned in the post above feels like the random plan to you, is understandable. Sometimes even me, feel the same. But I connect 1) Haruno’s hatred + 2)the moment she wants him to go hang out with those girls + 3) the status he wants to maintain/protect (The nice Hayama) together, so the final result I wrote, is the only assumption that survived from all factors I described. The calamity of Hayama Hayato.

      Yukinoshita Haruno expects interesting thing.

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  7. Thank for your so quick anwser !

    a question, how do you quote some part of the comment ?

    ——–“I’m not sure which part do you mean? Can you please copy my assumption or/and the headline so I can find it easier.”
    for the first point, it’s for all the operation donuts. For example, in the part 2 in “Conclusion from notices”, you said :
    “the I will assume she is very fond of Hachiman so much and want to know everything about him, especially in his own love story. It’s not for the sake of her younger sister, but for her own self-satisfaction.”

    for the second point

    —-“So when Hayama comes to the cafe, what both girls want is him only, not Hachiman. Who do they want him to go hang out with them, if who they want is the hot guy only? So if Haruno wants Hachiman to go to this date group, she must call him, say anything to force him to go, and even convince both girls to let him go too. But did she do all that? No.”
    Like I said, the best way to invite Hachiman in the double date is exactly what happen in the LN. Push Hayama to say yes, with an ambiguous question that could include Hachiman. Let Hayama push Hachiman to come, to give a pretext to Haruno to force him to come, and let Hayama arrange the thing with the two cheek.
    If she do what you said (so must call him, say anything to force him to go, and even convince both girls to let him go too), even if the two girl accept by politeness, they will says with their face (no way he could go), that give hachiman a good excuse to not go. Also, she knows that Hachiman would be not so easily convinced (so she need Hayama trick before, and no opposition from the two girls), and try to convince him in front of the two girl will be very very suspicious (act like she does in the LN, is still suspicious but more natural)

    —–“2nd reason – is it’s low possible Haruno wants Hachiman to go hang out with them (especially Orimoto). Why? If you read my analysis – Haruno’s Operation (part 2), you would know about “her feeling toward Orimoto that relates to Hachiman”. And yes, it’s my assumption only, but I notice from many clues in LNs. From this point, I assume she has no any intention to want him go hang out with “the girl who he ever confessed his feeling”. ”
    When I say my point, I take for truth what you assume in the precedent point. So Haruno is jealous about the fact that Orimoto is Hachiman first crush.
    Why did she would a double date with Hachiman.
    My guess is she plan what happen in the double date with the two cheeks, Hayama and Hachiman, the two cheeks despise Hachiman and just have eyes for Hayama. And when Orimoto don’t know what to say, she will just use hachiman to say badmouth about him. Like that, even if hachiman will be still in love with Orimoto, he will see a dark part of her. But my guess is Haruno could easily assume that Hachiman don’t have a thing for Orimoto anymore with the way he act when they meet.
    Even if it is not the case, with the ambiguous question, the plan can be easily cancel because Hachiman don’t want to think he could be invited. So it is totally safe.

    —–” 3rd reason – Haruno is high sociable, very smart & even has human observation skill, but although she’s not, she would notice Hachiman is uncomfortable in Orimoto’s existence (you would know the reason why). So it’s natural he doesn’t want to go hang out with the one who hurt his feeling in public before, from the beginning. I wrote in Haruno’s operation (part2) about she realises Orimoto would not his friend. So if Haruno wants him to go hang out to this trial, she needs to do more than say “all of you should go hang out”. ”
    I think Haruno love to put in a discomfort zone the people she care. Like her sister for example and also the Haruno teasing (even if the teasing is not only teasing like in your assumption, but have a double meaning, it always place Hachiman in a discomfort zone). Even if not the case, haruno would just do this to realise her aim, like she puts Hachiman in a uncomfortable position in the cultural festival affair.

    —–“4th reason – if Haruno includes Hachiman to go like you assume, it’s possible too. But if it’s like that for real, the reason she calls Hayama I explained in this analysis, will wrong. And if it’s not like I analyzed, I will return and search for the reason why she volunteers to call him. Why does she call him? Because she is kind Onee-san? Or she wants to do that for girls she meets for the first time? Because she thinks it’s very interesting like she said before called him? Or she just wants Hachiman and Hayama have fun?”
    No, I think the reason of the operation don’t change at all if it includes Hachiman. Because, at the end, Orimoto and her friend have been crushed, Hayama have been use like a sacrifice and destroy his image, and she can confirm and know more about Hachiman feeling.

    I think in the other part, you explain that Hayama will not act like Haruno want and invite Hachiman. But Haruno will adapt her plan with this fact, and finnaly come to the plan we see in the end. For me, I think she already plan what will happen at the beggining.

    —–“But I am sure that the reason Haruno called Hayama so he will go hang out with two girls, is relate to her own hatred because he must do something very bad in the past, that makes she hates him so much until now. And when explore in LN v1-11, the only thing he failed that is relate to her, is about what happened to her beloved sister, the precious one (because he never do something bad to Haruno directly, I judge from LN).”
    Yeah, I’m pretty confident when I think there something in the past between Hayama, Yukino and Haruno (I personally guess that it is also related to her mother, because the tension with her mother is also so high, so a factual reason could be good ( not just only, my mother is a scary manipulator) ), and that’s why Yukino have a grudge against Hayama, and Haruno despise Hayama for me (hate him for you but the idea is the same). But like I said, if the main target is Hayama, she could do and must do that way long time ago. I think more Hayama is like a pleasant collateral damage for Haruno, she enjoy to hurt.

    —–“I know your feeling. Because my assumption about the final result Haruno aims, becomes the bubbles, not exist anymore already. I will explain about this more in the last past of Hayama’s multidimensional plan so you will know the hidden story progress”
    Did you mean your post “The TRUTH(s) behind Hayato’s Sacrifice for Hachiman (Part 1) ” ?

    Because, yeah, I will read all your analysis, and see why for you, Hayama invite Hachiman, what did he plan and How Haruno manage that.
    LN vol 8 is a so rich volume, there so many thing mysterious in this volume for me. I really enjoy to read analysis about Yahari. What that amaze me the more, is that the most mysterious character for me is still hachiman, even if we see the world from his mind. What a wonderfull masterpiece !

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    1. >a question, how do you quote some part of the comment ?

      since you comment in my blog, I can quote some words since wordpress has …button bar to manage comment or even insert images. I don’t know you can use code in comment form, but you can try blockquote html code to cover words.

      >in the part 2 in “Conclusion from notices”, you said :
      “the I will assume she is very fond of Hachiman so much and want to know everything about him, especially in his own love story. It’s not for the sake of her younger sister, but for her own self-satisfaction.”
      To my point of view, it seems that it just the result of your point that Haruno like Hachiman, so she does that for her, but personally, I don’t disconnect totally the fact that Haruno could do that for her and for her sister sake. It could be and equal motive, or perhaps one is the major and the other the minor (personally I guess for her > for her sister).

      Oh, that point. I will say I don’t have any solid evidence to judge Haruno’s feeling. My conclusion you are curious, is the conclusion I notice from her doing and I never think she will do anything for the sake of Yukino only and for that reason only. I destroy the image that most people think she did this and that for the main character (Yukino) only. I notice not main characters in Oregairu have their own intention to do most things for the sake of them mainly. Sometimes for the sake of other people too but not much as for themselves.

      But for Haruno’s case in that time (the moment she asks Orimoto about Hachiman’s love story) is one of case that I see her purpose that she always do something for her own sake mainly, for other people she cares, the second. But for this case, I can see her desire or curiosity come from her own feeling only. Therefore, this is just me only, but I feel from the atmosphere such as when she is venting her feeling to Hachiman before Orimoto will appear.

      But don’t forget this is my assumption after read Oregairu LN/anime/manga too much. Your opinion is interesting because both of us will always pose our question and wait for the truth from the author.

      >the best way to invite Hachiman in the double date is exactly what happen in the LN. Push Hayama to say yes, with an ambiguous question that could include Hachiman. Let Hayama push Hachiman to come, to give a pretext to Haruno to force him to come, and let Hayama arrange the thing with the two cheek.
      If she do what you said (so must call him, say anything to force him to go, and even convince both girls to let him go too), even if the two girl accept by politeness, they will says with their face (no way he could go), that give hachiman a good excuse to not go. Also, she knows that Hachiman would be not so easily convinced (so she need Hayama trick before, and no opposition from the two girls), and try to convince him in front of the two girl will be very very suspicious (act like she does in the LN, is still suspicious but more natural)

      I forgot you still don’t read Haruno’s Operation Part 4 yet. I wrote why & how Haruno invites Hachiman later. But I think your assumption is reasonable & makes me think. About you said two girls will accept Haruno’s offer but will say with their faces, I think Hachiman is not the type that will refuse Haruno’s endless storm. So although he tries to find some excuse to escape, I don’t think he can run away from her palm. I notice (in anime Zoku ep4) when Hachiman tries to refuse Haruno’s invitation via phone call. No matter how many he refuses or what excuse he can think, he ends up surrender because he is afraid of her to come to his house. So in the doughnut cafe, it will not be surprising to me if she will launch anything and eliminate all excuses he can think that time in case she invites him too.

      >When I say my point, I take for truth what you assume in the precedent point. So Haruno is jealous about the fact that Orimoto is Hachiman first crush.
      Why did she would a double date with Hachiman.
      My guess is she plan what happen in the double date with the two cheeks, Hayama and Hachiman, the two cheeks despise Hachiman and just have eyes for Hayama. And when Orimoto don’t know what to say, she will just use hachiman to say badmouth about him. Like that, even if hachiman will be still in love with Orimoto, he will see a dark part of her. But my guess is Haruno could easily assume that Hachiman don’t have a thing for Orimoto anymore with the way he act when they meet.

      That’s what I want to say. But if I’m not misunderstanding, do you use my assumption to support your assumption that why Haruno invites Hachiman or not? If not, I am the one who is misunderstanding. If so, I recommend you to read Part 4. In this part, you will know the story progress and Haruno’s thought. Because like I mentioned that she just want to destroy Hayama only. But the moment she changes her mind and decides to invite him too, I think there’s another good point. And another good point is to realize Hachiman’s feeling toward Orimoto since I wrote analysis via Haruno’s point of view, not Hachiman’s. In case you re not satisfied my answer to this point, I understand, but I can’t spoil what I want to write in the last part of the multidimensional plan of Hayama and operation fire doughnut of Haruno in this comment. So…

      Please wait.

      >I think Haruno love to put in a discomfort zone the people she care. Like her sister for example and also the Haruno teasing (even if the teasing is not only teasing like in your assumption, but have a double meaning, it always place Hachiman in a discomfort zone). Even if not the case, haruno would just do this to realise her aim, like she puts Hachiman in a uncomfortable position in the cultural festival affair.

      To this point, our point of view are different, but it’s fine. I feel Haruno teases people she cares to draw their attention.

      >haruno would just do this to realise her aim, like she puts Hachiman in a uncomfortable position in the cultural festival affair.

      ? When?

      >No, I think the reason of the operation don’t change at all if it includes Hachiman. Because, at the end, Orimoto and her friend have been crushed, Hayama have been use like a sacrifice and destroy his image, and she can confirm and know more about Hachiman feeling.

      If Haruno includes Hachiman to the date group, the final result she plans will not happen (you can see from Miura, although Hayama go hang out with other girls still effect, but she can lie to herself that Hikio also go with him too, so it can’t be date.) Although what Miura think is just my assumption only, but this is what Hayama expect. And again I will not spoil to the comment because I will launch in full edition in the last part of analysis.

      >I think in the other part, you explain that Hayama will not act like Haruno want and invite Hachiman. But Haruno will adapt her plan with this fact, and finnaly come to the plan we see in the end. For me, I think she already plan what will happen at the beggining.

      Yes. I still think Hayama can’t let Haruno do what she wants.
      No. Haruno never expect the final result we saw in LN v8, or anime Zoku ep4 will happen. I still recommend you Part 4, and wait for the last part of Hayama & Haruno’s missions.

      if the main target is Hayama, she could do and must do that way long time ago. I think more Hayama is like a pleasant collateral damage for Haruno, she enjoy to hurt.

      Your assumption this point makes me think about it again. I think it’s like you said, but we can’t see it clearly because we can’t see their lives completely since we see via Hachiman’s pov. I feel Haruno doesn’t care about Hayama, although she still talk with him, call him with the first name. She do these so people will not notice her feeling. Haruno is one of characters who always hide her feeling. So although she can talk with him like Onee-san & brother, she doesn’t feel like that. I can say even Yukino doesn’t know her big sister doesn’t like Hayama.

      About hurt Hayama, I feel that the truth that Haruno who he has feeling for, never care for him, is what hurts him although she didn’t do anything. Her operation to eliminate him is just the ultra rare Orimoto and Nakasomething give her only. So like you said, it happened already and still happen until now. Although I feel that Haruno’s everlasting grudge toward him would end in the end for sure. Because the story right now is dark, so it should end with light.

      >Did you mean your post “The TRUTH(s) behind Hayato’s Sacrifice for Hachiman (Part 1) ” ?

      Nope. The last part is not published yet.

      I can’t disagree with you anymore. LN v8 is the legendary treasure.

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    —————“I notice not main characters in Oregairu have their own intention to do most things for the sake of them mainly. Sometimes for the sake of other people too but not much as for themselves”
    Yeah, I’m totally agree with that. The most striking example for me is Hayama with his “You help people because you want someone to help you, right?”
    But like in the reality, it is always hard to separate the “for someone else sake” with the “for my sake” (but the inverse is not true, you could easily separate something for the my sake that is not for for other person sake). For example, you can said, when Yui care about Yukino, she do that for her sake, because she wants to keep their relationship and become closer to her. But you can also say, she wants to help her for Yukino sake, because for her own sake, she needs her.

    —————“No matter how many he refuses or what excuse he can think, he ends up surrender because he is afraid of her to come to his house. So in the doughnut cafe, it will not be surprising to me if she will launch anything and eliminate all excuses he can think that time in case she invites him too.”
    The problem is not that she can’t persuade him in the doughnut cafe, but it is harder than the plan that finally happen, and moreover, it forces her to deploy some powerfull spell like “Yukino spell” or “Hayama needs you” or “Common, it will be fun with your first crush”, and that in front of Hachiman, Hayama, Orimoto and her friend. With the final plan, Hachiman already get mistrustful. With the plan you propose, Orimoto, her friend and Hayama will be mistrustful too “Why she is so persistent ? ” (but Hayama is already mistrustful against this double date).

    I’m excited to read what you think Hayama plan and how Haruno adapt his plan. Me too I think Hayama does something “unexpected” for Haruno but for me is not invited Hachiman, but let’s talk about that in the next part (I put unexpected in quote, because I think, Haruno imagine already that Hayama will plan something and don’t act like she totally wants )

    ——-“To this point, our point of view are different, but it’s fine. I feel Haruno teases people she cares to draw their attention.”
    I think Haruno have many way to draw attention, without remove her mask. If she choose this way, I think it is also to push other person to react. Push someone in discomfort, tend him to react and change. It’s her manipulation skill, and for me she likes this. She could also use her skill to simply push someone to draw their attention to her.
    Perhaps I perceive like that because I am totally the same.

    ——-“>haruno would just do this to realise her aim, like she puts Hachiman in a uncomfortable position in the cultural festival affair.
    ? When?”
    With the festival cultural affair, Hachiman was in disconfort.
    First, he wants to work at least at possible, but with a chairwoman-chan like Sagami, he should work a lot !!!!
    Secondly, to see Yukinoshita at the limit, push him to act to help her. I think Haruno perception skill could easily anticipate that, so she create cultural festival affair despite that.

    ———“If Haruno includes Hachiman to the date group, the final result she plans will not happen (you can see from Miura, although Hayama go hang out with other girls still effect, but she can lie to herself that Hikio also go with him too, so it can’t be date.”
    Yeah, the fact Hachiman was here, change something. But, it was very hard to predict. First, Miura see them it’s the least probable case (thanks Watari sensei 🙂 and Hayato, you are so stupid), and to that, imagine that Hachiman will see that first, and will act, to avoid her is even more random.
    The most probable case which hurt Orimoto and Hayama (but still too random), is that someone who knows Orimoto, see them. But, the probability that Hachiman can see that and act to avoid that is low (and his presence himself don’t change anything in the perception, except the two girl one boy thing, but for me, I don’t ve really curious about this fact, it just decreaase the probability that is a date). He didn’t know the new people in Orimoto High school, and I think he can’t really recognize the majority of the student from his old middle school. So, it’s hard to predict that Hachiman presence will change anything in the double date plan.

    ————“Haruno is one of characters who always hide her feeling”
    Yeah, exactly. But I think, most of character in Yahari do that. Even more, Hachiman hide his feeling to himself !! Even Yui, who is show as “could confess when she want, apology when it is needed, so that surprise Hachiman and Yukino” have her own hiden feeling.

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    1. >The problem is not that she can’t persuade him in the doughnut cafe, but it is harder than the plan that finally happen, and moreover, it forces her to deploy some powerfull spell like “Yukino spell” or “Hayama needs you” or “Common, it will be fun with your first crush”, and that in front of Hachiman, Hayama, Orimoto and her friend. With the final plan, Hachiman already get mistrustful. With the plan you propose, Orimoto, her friend and Hayama will be mistrustful too “Why she is so persistent ? ” (but Hayama is already mistrustful against this double date).

      True. what makes us think different is because we interpret characters’s intention in differently. We TL their reactions and get our own conclusion, and that is understanding. I think each characters has her/his own purpose and will not reveal it because someone who might lose benefit or was manipulated, will stop her/him. And again, the last part.

      >Push someone in discomfort, tend him to react and change. It’s her manipulation skill, and for me she likes this. She could also use her skill to simply push someone to draw their attention to her.

      I think it’s effective skill that not Haruno has only, in Oregairu, Hayama even Hachiman (solve Rumi’s case) have this. But in case of Haruno, it’s up to her purpose too. If she wants people to do something for her and they don’t need to know her will, she will use that skill. If she just want their attention, she will not use this skill. But it’s not like that every time. Sometimes even herself doesn’t realize that she wants something from other people. Maybe with something like this, makes me see her as a human, although she is just character in LN. (“god” job, Watari-sensei!!)

      >With the festival cultural affair, Hachiman was in disconfort.
      First, he wants to work at least at possible, but with a chairwoman-chan like Sagami, he should work a lot !!!!
      Secondly, to see Yukinoshita at the limit, push him to act to help her. I think Haruno perception skill could easily anticipate that, so she create cultural festival affair despite that.

      Oh, I see. I’m writing about this right now, so you can wait for my assumption about her doing in the festival. I will name my post as “After” Haruno decides to help Yukino.. But I think my analysis “When” Haruno decides to help Yukino. might give you some thoughts. This is link.

      Yukinoshita Haruno is worried about Yukino.

      >The most probable case which hurt Orimoto and Hayama (but still too random), is that someone who knows Orimoto, see them. But, the probability that Hachiman can see that and act to avoid that is low (and his presence himself don’t change anything in the perception, except the two girl one boy thing, but for me, I don’t ve really curious about this fact, it just decreaase the probability that is a date). He didn’t know the new people in Orimoto High school, and I think he can’t really recognize the majority of the student from his old middle school. So, it’s hard to predict that Hachiman presence will change anything in the double date plan.

      I agree with you that Hachiman can’t be alert for Orimoto and Nakasomething. But don’t forget that I told about people will do anything for their own self-satisfaction mainly, for other people’s sake is the second. And again, please wait for the last part. ^ ^

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  9. Sobwhat you’re saying is that she wants 8man but also want to pair him up with her sister.

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    1. About the previous part, part2, I analyzed “the raging fire” in Haruno’s mind when she heard from orimoto that 8man ever confessed to her.

      I notice even haruno herself didnt know her own feeling, but this part3 explained how she reacted by pulling hayama to include him & those two girls so they will go away from her (hayama has feeling for her) & 8man (orimoto the person who 8man ever confessed his feeling). I will conclude that haruno hates Hayama and dislikes orimoto.

      The difference is she knows herself she hates him, but in case of orimoto, if she didn’t realize her feeling toward 8man, its normal she didnt realize her own hatred toward Orimoto, so pushing Orimoto to the date with Hayama was done by her own self satisfaction. To extinguish the raging fire in her heart.

      About the pairing 8man with yukino, I saw Haruno mentioned her sister’s name when she answered Hayama’s question, and I already analyzed why she mentioned Yukino’s name.

      Mentioning yukino that time made us interpret to two things.
      1. Haruno thinks yukino will get jealously.
      2. My assumption in part3. Because I notice she always cover her own feeling very well by making people look other way or interest other thing instead.

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