Oregairu Analysis – And Then, Yukinoshita Haruno Launched Operation Fire Doughnut! (Part 1)

In Oregairu, we saw Hachiman launched many plans (or should I say, operations) for solving problems. All plans are effectively and gave good results. However, in Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. (やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。), there are other intelligent characters who are second to none. Guess who?

One of these is Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃). She is so smart & manipulated type. We can’t get why she did this and that because she is not MC. We, LNl readers, can’t read her thoughts like Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡).

  • Please read Attention page first, to let you understand that my all analysis are not 100% right. All of them mix with my assumption/guess as well, more or less. If you expect absolute reliable analysis, I can’t provide them to you.
  • This post is full of spoilers. I recommend you to read LN/anime/& even manga for full information.

Operation Fire Doughnut,
Master Donut, Chiba Perfecture, Tokyo,
Evening with the setting sun,
LN v8, Anime Zoku ep 3-4, Manga -Monologue- v7

Reason why this analysis exists

heh… if you think you can read my mind, try it.
  1. I believe after read LN, manga & watch anime zoku like endless circle, we would finally understand her purposes/feelings/thoughts some day, just like during doughnut shop. Who know that her double date plan is complete mystery more than you can imagine.
  2. I found gigantic unbelievable truths, before and while write Haruno’s operation.
    1. Who will think she has feeling toward that boy and that girl like this?
    2. Who will think she plans secret mission like this?
    3. I can only say for now that she wants to eliminate two people. And she wants “that certain person” and without any obstacles.

You can know all answers (1-3) after read all parts of operation Fire Doughnut only.

Hachiman thought she just messing around (and I agree too, before) but after I got her feeling, I pick fire ring as featured image of this post. You will know why I chose this image later.

 Why Fire Doughnut?

I think about title of this analysis as “Fire Doughnut”.

  • Doughnut resembles a ring doughnut, you will know why I chose ring doughnut later.
  • Fire resembles Haruno’s feeling back then during she was in doughnut shop.

After I got Haruno’s feeling and purposes, I named her plan as “Operation Fire Doughnut” to represent her emotions and thoughts. …I feel you are thinking “What the h*** are you writing about?”. I kinda understand so just relax and continue to read.

Damn another long range Oregairu analysis

Yeah, I will warn you this is very long post, so prepare doughnut and hot cafe au lait , with this heavy sugar snack and drink, you might survive from my analysis and Haruno’s wrath. I and she will show you no mercy!

It will be too long post (If you wonder how long this
analysis, I spend writing everyday about 2 weeks but the
progress still is 25%) if I don't split this analysis into
multiple parts (part 1, part 2,~). I want it will be easy for
you to read.

Find out a quiet place to kill time alone.

Haruno went in @Master Donut shop to kill time before go eat with her friends later. In order to kill time, she brought many books and headphone to listen to music.

  • Maybe not music, but I can’t think others more than that.
  • This is just my guess, I think she would think the same as Hachiman think, to choose this doughnut shop because it is good to kill time since it’s very quiet and she can refill coffee so she can stay as much as she wants (in anime zoku ep 3, this shop is very quiet.
  • Hachiman mentioned this doughnut shop didn’t fit to her, it means she doesn’t care about image. If she cares, she would go to St*rbuck instead.)
With these, I can kill time but sugar will kill me.

Time out for killing time alone

During her killing time, Haruno saw Hachiman came to this shop as well so she greets and waves her hand to him. She didn’t expect he will come to this place. And then she pauses a little (damn, I can’t find a picture when she pauses, so please look in anime zoku ep3) while sees him went away… Haruno follows and sits next to him.

  • I suspect she would be around this area or this shop often because she said it’s rare to see Hachiman around there.
  • Haruno is pleased to meet him again~ and hopes he will sit next to her since he seems come alone but it’s not as she expected, he chooses another seat far away!
  • After little disappointed, Haruno gathers her things and moves to sit next to him. If he doesn’t want to sit near her, she will be the one sits next to him! I suspect she is disappointed and sulking.)

It is golden chance!

I will not let you escape~
Hachiman~, I will not let you escape.

Haruno did the same before moving, reading. When both of them know reason why s/he came to this place, Hachiman tries a chance to leave but to leave but she squeezes in and uses her usual attack (whispers near his ear) to knock him out!

After that, she commented he is different from other guys, they tried too hard to talk with her longer.

  • Hachiman doesn’t understand why Haruno needs to sit near him but for her, this is rare chance to be close to him alone together.~ So no way she will miss golden chance like this!
  • Finally, he can escape from her but she caught his retreat. She wants this golden chance to beeeee continue and no way let it fade away so quickly like this!)

Reading with him is good, but teasing him is better!

2 coffee cups for Hachiman and Haruno.
Let’s spend time together~

Haruno succeeds in keeping golden chance so she can spend time together with him comfortably. They end up reading books and drink coffee. Time flows slowly and later, she notices Hachiman is staring at her so she sends him a question.

It appears he wants another refill so she passes her cup as well. The reading time still continue if she  doesn’t starts teasing him again. Just see his annoying reaction, she is pleased so much.

Yukinoshita Haruno is teasing Hikigaya Hachiman. (Oregairu Zoku episode 3)
Teasing success!

(This would be the first time (if I remember well) that Haruno and Hachiman spend time together, she seems enjoying this time so much she must stop him from retreat. Read book with him sure is nice but I’m talking about Haruno, as the one who looks out for him, she can’t stay quiet forever and starts 2nd round teasing him again~)

Must check his feeling about her sister.

After that, Haruno stops reading & makes big stretch while groaning~ before asks Hachiman about her sister, Yukinoshita Yukino (雪ノ下 雪乃). Hachiman thinks she doesn’t seem too interested about what she asks.

This time, she poses as the commander, turns to him and clears her throat intentionally. She asks there’s any progress during field trip. After he answers, she said Yukino sent souvenirs to home.

  • I noticed she asks about “her sister” just to begin another topic and to prepare a trap word.
  • I underlined at “she poses as commander—- clear her throat intentionally” as I kinda sure this the sign that Haruno is preparing herself before launches very short questions to check  Hachiman’s feeling because the last time she saw him is during congratulations party after school festival, so she wants to confirm that there’s any progress between him and Yukino (or other girls) or not.
  • Haruno is a woman who wants to hide her true intention from interlocutor or other people by using indirect question or secret mission (such as what she did to Sagami Minami during school cultural festival.). And this time is not different. She pretends to ask about what happened after she doesn’t see him for a long time. And the field trip is famous for teenagers to look for good place to build relationship with the one they are interested.
  • As I mentioned before Haruno prepared a trap word “Yukino” to Hachiman & asks short question about progressing during field trip so if there’s any progress (she means love relationship), he would think doki doki moment and started be shy/blush and tries to hide it. But if nothing happened, he would answer normally (and you will his response, won’t you?)
  • After Haruno got his answer, she figures it out there’s no progress between them so = Hachiman doesn’t has feeling to anyone yet. This is Haruno’s goal. Whoa! This is elite’s thought process, huh? And I suspect she is glad with his answer but hides her feeling very well. Even Hachiman can’t notice this.
  • So Haruno is satisfied after her investigation and got what she wants, she prepares escape route by her magic trick. She uses “Yukino”+”Field trip” earlier to starts another topic about Yukino sent souvenirs to home (Good job well done, Haruno!). So she can close this case silently. Please don’t believe me before read LN again. Anime can’t clear your doubtfulness.

More of Haruno’s style


She is so sad because of someone who wasn’t here.

Haruno tells Hachiman that her sister used delivery for sending souvenirs to their home because Yukino doesn’t want to meet her family. The reason why she sent them is she doesn’t like her family but doesn’t want them hate her back.

Yukinoshita Haruno is very depressed her sister hates her. (Oregairu Zoku episode 3)
Haha… my sister hates me…

Her conclusion words are kind of softly and pitiful. However, she notices his stare, she puts her coffee cup down and turns to him with exaggerated movements.

After Haruno realizes her sister doesn’t want to go back home so much enough to send souvenirs via delivery, she feels depressed because her sister hates her and family. It feels like Haruno is so lonely. (Yes, you guys, I mean that.) I mentioned in Part 5 about she was manipulated by her mother so she wants to avoid her as much as she can. But her sister who she loves/cares for, is the one who wants to avoid her and family. That’s why she feels depressed and lonely (like pic above).

I see Haruno trusts Hachiman enough to vent to him a little. However, she realizes she is depressed in front of him so she acts with 180 degrees and tries to change the mood.)

  • Maybe her reaction is just because of social manner (pretends to be fine so people will not be worried about her.)
  • or it is because she just want to vent her negative feeling to someone she trusts. Because when I look in the whole LN, I think there are just two people she can trust (Hiratsuka-sensei and him). And right now he is here, that’s why she shows her expression like that and reveals her depressed feeling a bit. Her mask is thinner a lot when she is with him and sensei privately.

High hope ends up with deep disappointment.

Yukinoshita Haruno tries to change mood while talking with Hikigaya Hachiman. (Oregairu Zoku episode 3)
She changes mood too fast!

To change her sad mood, Haruno changes topic again, and she says Hachiman would be bored because no events in school anymore but he disagrees. because there’s still the student council election. This makes her surprised. It appears there’s no candidates so it need to be postponed.

Yukinoshita Haruno is thinking of her kouhai. (Oregairu Zoku episode 3)

This news makes she thinks of happy memory(ies) between her and her kouhai, Shiromeguri Meguri (城廻 めぐり). She is confident her kouhai will ask Yukino to try the election but Hachiman doesn’t think so. Haruno hears his answer but wants to confirm, so she asks him again and his answer is still the same.

  • Haruno uses word “events in the school” to send both of them to another topic so she can changes the mood in better way. In other words, she changes the topic. I am not surprised if Hachiman will not know why she changes topic many times. I assume that he would look Haruno is talkative. So it will not be surprised if she has many things to discuss. You can notice she jumps over and over.
    However, no matter Haruno wants to avoid he will know she is focusing on her own feeling about her sister and family, she would return to the same place, unintentionally (Is this Uroboros?). Because when Hachiman mentions about student council election, the first thing she thinks of, is her sister again (Actually, what she focuses on, is two things – about Hachiman and another is Yukino. But when she confirms his feeling was not stolen yet, she feels relieved secretly and I don’t think even a single bit that she wants to match him and Yukino like she always pretends to let everyone understand she wants them to be the couple. Because she did something like that to hide her own feeling. I will let you know why I am confident like this in Part 2.
  • I notice that after Hachiman told Haruno that her sister wouldn’t be the candidate, somehow I feel she is very disappointed more than a moment ago. (notice from LN, she pauses a little before confirms with him again that her sister will not run for presidency.) It feels like she has some high hope but it ends within 1 minute like that.)

Short words can explain more than you think.

As Haruno is disappointed about her sister, she sighs. Her reaction makes Hachiman wonders so he tried to ask her more. She tells him she never work in student council because it’s the pain to do plain jobs. This time she says with just short words and giggled. (<- “These two hints” from Haruno have deep meaning more than you think, read more so you will know why I think like this. I will explain carefully below.)

  • At this point, if you still don’t understand how she thinks/feels, I recommend LN again and manga Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabu Kome wa Machigatteiru. -Monologue- (やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。-妄言録-) too. In this manga, you can see her “true despair” more than in LN or anime.
  • I guess Haruno would think Yukino is suitable to do serious jobs in student council more than her. Or finally, Haruno found a job that doesn’t suit for her, but Yukino is suitable for this kind of job.
  • Benefit of being involved in this position are…
    1. Learn how to make a positive impact and leadership in school.
    2. She will has many chance to coordinate with many students, teachers and organization outside school. She would gain more friends and has connection with variety of people.
  • I don’t really know why Haruno expects Yukino will run this position. But I think SCP will be good medicine for her sister. This position is the highest position among students. If Yukino runs this, she would feel less inferior whenever she compares herself to Haruno. I assume that Haruno wants to destroy the high wall between her and her sister. Don’t forget Yukino avoids her sister because she feels inferior. So with this high status from SCP, will decrease the height more or less and Yukino will be proud to do difficult job like this.
  • Haruno’s short words (boring) makes I think her depression and disappointment is heavy more than Hachiman think (I will say again I saw her despair in manga)  because right now she would be deep in thought but her negative emotions overflowed until she said “…so boooring.” and giggles with those reality. I assume that she laughs because her sister ่just blow such an ultra rare chance like this. If she doesn’t run this position when she is second-year, it’s no way she will run it in third-year because of entrance exam.
    The way Haruno holds her coffee cup and be quiet (you can’t see she did this in anime), tells me that she tries to look for other rare opportunities like this. But the result is 0. So that’s why she wants to confirm again by asking the question about Yukino will not run this position from Hachiman. Her conclusion and his confirmation are reasons why Haruno feels despair. Even her who is genius, can’t find how to decrease that high wall between her and her sister (you can laugh if you want, because Haruno ends up giggle).
  • If my assumption is right, and plus with Haruno mentioned about Yukino hates them (her and family). It means that she wants Yukino will not avoid her and come back to her, just like when they always are in the past. If this assumption is not wrong, we can see she really loves/cares for her sister. If Yukino really comes back to her again, her loneliness will vanish automatically.
  • ps. Her depression is about her sister refuses to come back home. Her disappointment is about Yukino doesn’t want to run for presidency.)

Her cheerful mask slips lately.

Yeah, I'm so bored... because I held high expectation. This is my fault my sister hates me.
Yeah, I’m so bored… because I hopes she will stop thinking she feels inferior to me but…

After Haruno said so boring… she is very quiet but her expression right now makes a certain person nearby starts to be worried about her. However, she notices a boy near her is worried about her so she smiles at him, this smile makes him pauses a bit.

Yukinoshita Haruno is wearing cheerful mask again. (Oregairu Zoku episode 3)
Cheerful mask activate! (Sparkle)
  • This time, Haruno is venting her heavy gloomy feeling again but not intend to vent to Hachiman directly. So when she notice he is worried about her. You can call this is her instinct or social manner to change her expression by wearing cheerful mask again to hide her true feeling.
  • The reason why she tried to wear cheerful mask many times is
    • She doesn’t want him to think she is pathetic and lonely. (Just like Rumi’s case)
    • She doesn’t intend to let people around her worried because of her. It is normal to hide her feeling so he will not be worried about her too much.
  • I notice Haruno has sensitive radar to monitor emotions of people around her.
Yukinoshita Haruno detects Hikigaya Hachiman's worrying becaus. (Oregairu Zoku episode 3)
Detect his worrying!

If she detects dark emotions, her cheerful mask will activate immediately to ease those dark emotions. It’s like her barrier/ security system. Her mask exists because of her own fear.

New characters! Orimoto Kaori and Nakasomething.

And then, Haruno’s together time with Hachiman has end… because someone calls his name. One of 2 girls greets him and taps his shoulders (in LN). (Great… Now Haruno’s thought was cut because of a girl named Orimoto Kaori (折本 かおり)… This girl seems be friendly for someone loner like him (talks with him and taps his shoulders like she is his old friend.) With all of Orimoto’s reaction towards him, I feel Haruno starts observing this girl quietly while she is talking with him.)

Hikigaya Hachiman is worried about Orimoto Kaori's being. (Oregairu Zoku episode 3)
Chiii~

When bad omen is nearby.

Orimoto Kaori notices Hikigaya Haruno sits beside Hachiman. (Oregairu Zoku episode 3)
Eh? This beautiful woman…

Orimoto notices Haruno who sits next to Hachiman so she asks this is his girlfriend. After he says no, she agrees too and comments it’s no way this beautiful woman will be his girlfriend.

Orimoto Kaori disagrees about HachixHaru. (Oregairu Zoku episode 3)
Haha, it’s no way HachixHaru will happen, right?

it’s no way this beautiful woman will be his girlfriend.

it’s no way this beautiful woman will be his girlfriend.

it’s no way this beautiful woman will be his girlfriend.
his girlfriend.

…Orimoto’s comment almost makes her friend (umm… Nakasomething) laughs too. After Haruno listened to Orimoto’s comment, she peers at his face and asks they are his friends.

  • Haruno understood Orimoto wouldn’t be his good friend since she insults him like Gi*nt and her friend is like S*neo so she asks him directly. I feel this is not simple question (Look at Haruno’s eyes in anime Zoku episode 3 when she asks him this question, there’s doubtfulness within her eyes). When she sees his mask (fake smile), his expression confirms her suspicion.
Yukinoshita Haruno wonder Orimoto Kaori & Nakamachi Chika will be Hachiman's friends. (Oregairu Zoku episode 3)
Haruno would know they’re not his friends.

After she saw gloomy scene and their behavior earlier, she asks him as if she wonders they wouldn’t be his friends, right?

  • I mark red words “it’s no way this beautiful woman will be his girlfriend.” above because I want to tell you bad omen is nearby. Because of Orimoto’s comment, someone is going to be moody. This sentence is taboo/forbidden for a certain person! You can imagine fire is burning, kukukuku but I will explain about this later.)

    ?? is very moody, kukukuku.
    What have you done!? Orimoto!

 

Conclusion of Part 1

Haruno met Hachiman in doughnut shop, locks him so he will not escape from her, and hang out together. We can see pink atmosphere around both of them (although he doesn’t notice). She doesn’t hesitate to tease him whenever she meets the one she is very fond of with her usual trick (whisper at his ear). (I hope someone should know already how Haruno feels toward Hachiman.)

She starts small secret mission to know “his love relationship” secretly by using “her trap word” and “wide question”. I assume she feels relieved (but hides her feeling from him) after knew he has no feeling to anyone yet. Her real intention is to know his feeling for her own self-satisfaction, not for her sister.

Hachiman’s case closed. So the remained problem is about Yukino. Haruno vents her feeling to him about her sister (she hates her family).

I assume that he and Hiratsuka-sensei are people she trusts. Her mask is thinner when she talks with one of them privately. Because they are the one she can vent her negative feeling.

No matter Haruno wants to avoid he will know she is focusing on her own feeling about her sister and family, she would return to the same place, unintentionally (Is this Uroboros?). Because when Hachiman mentions about student council election, the first thing she thinks of, is her sister again (Actually, what she focuses on, is two things – about Hachiman and another is Yukino. But when she confirms his feeling was not stolen yet, she feels relieved secretly and I don’t think even a single bit that she wants to match him and Yukino like she always pretends to let everyone understand she wants them to be the couple. Because she did something like that to hide her own feeling.

After she confirms from Hachiman that Yukino will not run SCP. Haruno’s short word (boring) and giggles are two hints that have deep meaning. SCP will make Yukino has confidence and pride so she will not feel inferior to Haruno anymore and comes back to her again. She hopes SCP can decrease the high wall between her and her sister. And plus with Haruno mentioned that Yukino (the one Haruno loves/cares for) avoids her and her family, if the height of that wall decrease, Haruno’s loneliness will vanish.

But Haruno’s hope was destroyed after she heard from Hachiman Yukino will not run SCP. After she calculated but can’t find next rare opportunity and plus with Hachiman’s confirmation, she feels despair because her hope is the one that vanishes (Is this Danganronpa?). That’s why she says boring and giggles. Her giggle is because Yukino blow this ultra rare.

Haruno is in depression+despair mode because of her sister. At the same time, she tried to change mood after she noticed the atmosphere is sour because of her. He would get her feeling more if new character doesn’t show up.

Haruno can sense Orimoto would not be his friend. His fake smile confirms her suspicion (Who are you, detective?).

And because Orimoto is confident that HachixHaru can’t be possible, someone is going to be moody, so I will prepare water to stop fire (or maybe I should call to fire station). However, I’m not sure I can stop that person’s bad mood. So I will start part 2 next time!

ps. Orimoto, I think you need life insurance before her wrath will reach you.

This is just part 1 only.

Yes, it is and we still does not close to Haruno’s operation “Fire Doughnut” yet. I hope part 2 will. I will launch it as soon as possible but please understand that I wrote analysis while read light novel at the same time so it may take a long time.

It seems this is the longest analysis I ever made, what do you think or expect about Haruno’s operation? What should come next in the next part? Please leave your comment so I will know what’s on your mind.

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Operation Fire Doughnut List

I pasted this list so you can explore all parts of Haruno’s operation. Dozo!

Related Oregairu analysis you should not miss!


While Haruno is talking with Hachiman in the doughnut cafe, she uses “Haruno’s style” to hide her own intention. But this is not the first time she did it. In LN v3, she shows her style for the first time.


In LN v4, Haruno “warns” Yuigahama after she pulled Hachiman from her by using her style again. However, she doesn’t warn her for Yukino’s sake.


I mentioned earlier that Haruno trusts Hachiman more enough to vent her feeling when she feels depressed about relationship within her family. This analysis will give you tons of clues that can tell you her unbelievable story that you will never see from anywhere before.

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24 thoughts on “Oregairu Analysis – And Then, Yukinoshita Haruno Launched Operation Fire Doughnut! (Part 1)

  1. You got some pretty interesting thoughts about Oregairu on your blog! sure is something different from what I usually read, especially in this kind of format. Looking forward to your next posts :)

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    1. Thanks for your comment, @Sephyxer. I will launch next part & write it full in detail like always so my readers and you will not be disappointed. :3

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  2. Great job bro. I read the other two analysis of yours and really enjoyed them. I’ll be looking forward to part 2.

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  3. Looking forward to part 2! Great job as always. If I may be blunt, there are some grammatical errors but I could understand what you mean. Anyways, nice analysis and HachiXHaru? I want to read some nice fan fictions out there with that pairing! Also My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU would fulfill its title if Watari ended Hachiman with something that would make his life fudged up like a Haruno or a Shizuka. :3

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    1. I don’t mind about blunt. Hohohoho. (Touch beard)
      @MASHIRONZ. English is not my mother language so you would find errors in every posts and pages. So what I need to do is look for vocabs and write. One of reasons I took a long time for each posts, because of this.

      I feel kind of relieved when you said you got what I wrote. Phew.~ When you recommend about my writing, it means you still read my long analysis? …where is tissue paper box? Thanks for reading, I’m grateful.

        talk about fan fiction. your desire will be fulfilled. There’re HachixHaru fictions in site fanfiction. Hope you will enjoy them. :3
        Well, with the title of LN said, WW will make most people be shocking for sure. You & I can sit and enjoy until “that only ending” comes.

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  4. Well I’ve read some amazing fan fictions out there on the fanfiction site. But I get easily disappointed when they do not update. Case in point (Tortoise and Expiration Dates – I would recommend Expiration dates because there would be HachiXHaru/HachiXMegurin there)

    But that ending. Well I hope the WAIT would be worth it. And if Watari would be taking the time that he usually do, we would be receiving an ending to be remembered or a heart crushing ending(For my fellow shippers out there whose ship have been sank by SS Watari). I’ve got this feeling that he takes a lot more time to write now(I guess) and he even took another job on speakeasy. Maybe its a breather for his stuck rut on Oregairu or LN 12 is done and LN 13 is on the way alongside an animation. Besides Oregairu is no.1 for 3 years on Kono Light Novel ga Sugoi so, we could only assume the amount of pressure Watari is feeling right now (or not he is pretty much a laid back dude)

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    1. yeah!, “Tortoise” and “Expiration Dates” are one of my fav fictions but the writers left readers there (maybe they have their own business), I hope they need to update or make it end. The reason I still go to fanfiction because I want to read these two stories.

      About WW, I hope he will has more time to concentrate to Oregairu but less pressure. How can he do his best if there’are more pressure?

      another job on speakeasy

      Harunon: Speakeasy?

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  5. is the coming vol. 12 really the last of oregairu?…i think one volume wouldn’t be enough to tie loose ends in d story….anyway, excited for d upcoming hachiman x iroha date OVA..

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    1. No any news about vol 12 will be the last vol, I agree with you that one vol wouldn’t be enough for the remained stories/questions.

      • Real “Y” of Hayama.
      • Why Hayama wants 8man to be the same position with his.
      • What happened in Doughnut shop, (how Haruno plan failed, why Hayama sad even if his plan success.)
      • The owners of each memorandum.
      • the incidents that crushed relationship between Yukinoshita sisters and Hayama in the past.
      • How Yukino will change and solve her problem.
      • How 8man and Yui will advise and support Yukino to save her older sister from problem within their family.
      • the end of each characters.
      • etc.

      All of them can’t mix in just one vol, if they can, at least 1000 pages. Too much pages for just 1 light novel.

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  6. Holy shit man.. I don’t know what you’ve got back there… is it analyzing skills or sensing the feelings skill… I’m quite an analyzer myself but I’ve never been able to read moods or sense feelings of any characters.. I always neglected haruno as a character who passes time with hachiman for her own entertainment and tries to protect yukino from falling for him. You gave me a pov that took me to a while new level of looking at Oregairu.. I always look at a character’s reactions as some typically exaggerated expression which every anime does… I know oregairu has the least BS which I mentioned but still I thought them as BS… If you know abt MBTI..I’d like to know abt your type… that is some real analysis you made… Big fan of oregairu… now a big fan of your analysis too… without your POV I’d have never guessed what WW meant in these situations…thanks mahn… yet to read the remaining 3 parts.. excited..

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    1. I’m glad you like my work, Ashwayne.

      I don’t know about MBTI before, but it would be interesting to test it.

      I’m glad more that my analysis will help you understand feeling & thought of characters in Oregairu just one bit. And I’m very surprised you decided to be a big fan of my work as well. You don’t know how I feel when I read your feeling too. Thank you so much. :D

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  7. Hi,

    first sorry for my english, I’m very bad in english.
    It is really a pleasure to read your analysis about yahari. Yahari is such a huge masterpiece to analyse. So many little thing you don’t really get, so many sentence you feel you don’t really understand totally.
    I love your guess about Haruno. I never think she could have a crush for Hachiman. In fact, I don’t read all the part of your analysis because I just watch the anime and the LN, but I don’t read the manga. And it seems that a large part of your analysis is from the manga.

    I have some question. Where do you get the manga ? The manga is not only release in Japan ? I can see some scan in te web, but not all the volume are translated, and you talk about some volume I don’t find. Perhaps you are japanese ?
    Another question is : “you base your analysis on the three medium of this masterpiece (LN, anime, manga). Do you know if Watari sensei works or leads these 3 masterpiece ?” Because in general, I take the orignal piece and his adaptation like different piece who develop alternative things. Like, in the manga, Haruno could have a crush on Hachiman, but not in the anime and LN.

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    1. Thanks for your praising, it’s meaningful.
      However, I don’t actually know Haruno realizes her own feeling or not. But I hope we can find this answer from v12.

      You can get Oregairu -Monologue- manga from shipping online. This manga was not be translated from fantranslation in Eng yet (I mean vol7).

      This is my own assumption only, but I sense Watari-sensei also got involved in these 3 masterpieces too. And all of them lead to the same direction. However, this is just my personal opinion so I don’t have solid evidence either.

      It’s my pleasure to have a chance to read response from you, my reader. Maybe you’re right about in manga only, Haruno could have a crush on Hachiman.

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  8. Thanks for the reply !
    It’s always a pleasure to speak with people who love analyse the masterpiece and not just say : “wow, it’s amazing”, and nothing else.
    Do you want continue this discussion about Oregairu by mail ? (I think you know my mail, so if you are interested, you can contact me).

    In fact, I have something in mind. I love Oregairu. One problem for me, is my english, which is awful. And I have only acess to the LN in english. Moreover this piece is so complex, I you can interpret the data by many way, so if you don’t totaly understand the language, you don’t get all the nuance of the meaning but just the idea, it become even harder to think you understand all. And this LN is also a wirte to the point of view of Hachiman, so it is even harder to percieve the “truth”
    A way to force me to find a meaning to all the data give by the LN, is translated the LN (nothing “official”, I will never shared this in internet). I start with the first volume, but there so many moment I don’t understand some precision or description like ‘why Yukinoshita appeared shocked and looked at me with an expression full of amazement”. THere so many moment I can’t understand or totaly understand the reaction of some personnage (like the Haruno Operation Fire Doughnut for example). There are also so many contradiction when i put really my Oregairu in my native language, and I want to erase all this, and “fully” understand this piece.
    So I really love to interact with you, to ask you what do you think this personnage think when Hachiman says this, or why Wataru Watari precise this point at this moment, ect, in fact, like you do with your analysis.

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    1. I’m surprised while I’m reading your invitation and realizing what’s on your mind. It’s my honor that you want to discuss about this masterpiece from Watari-sensei with me more although my English is not good. My grammar is … so what I can do is trying to express my thoughts as easy as possible. I don’t see your English is awful, I understand your comments.

      Thanks for invitation me to talk with you about Oregairu more, but actually, I have talks with comment via blog, more than read in mail. To tell you the truth, I’m afraid my free time to surfing internet is decreasing because my own real life. So I will spend time to reply comments from my readers only, hope you will not be upset.

      I admire everyone who try so hard to TL Oregairu, because as you said, this LN is very difficult to understand. To TL this work, you don’t just TL, but to understand what they say/think. I admit I don’t understand about characters in this LN completely, yesterday I thought like that, but today I changed my mind. Tomorrow, I might find something unbelievable. I think TL this is challenge and worthwhile.

      With the reason I don’t understand all characters in Oregairu completely, and not 100% in specific characters like Haruno and Hayama as well. I don’t think I have suitable quality to help you about your work. Come to think of it, there’re some characters I hardly focused on their thoughts & feelings, so my opinions might ruin your work too. Because I ever misunderstood many times.

      Although I am terribly sorry because I can’t response your invitation, but I don’t think this is just the end. Because I still hope to discuss with you in the future, but via this place instead. If you actually are confused some description in LN, although I am not sure I’m right, I will do my best to reply. I want to read your assumptions after you read LN too. So I can reply by exchanging my thoughts here. I will say sorry again about I can’t discuss via mail, hope you will understand.

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  9. No problem.
    So we will discuss about Oregairu when I reach some passage you describe in your website. So the next time, it will be about Tsurumi Rumi’s Transformation ^^. But now, I’m just starting to translate the first time we saw Yui, so it will be a very long time before we will interact again XD.

    One point I want to precise is I don’t really want to produce a “real translation”. That means my aim is not write what Watari-sensei would write if he speak my language, but just own Oregairu and obtain a new piece. In fact, it is like an adaptation, and not a very faithful adaptation, because for me, the meaning of an adaptation is to show the difference of perception of the same thing, between two people. (Like you mention in your analysis, there’s many little difference between the LN, anime and manga.)
    For example, if I think Haruno has a crush, I will change many little thing in some description to show that. So you couldn’t “ruin” my work.

    The main problem, is this masterpiece is so complex, that for many few detail, I don’t have any opinion or guess about what could explain that, or why Watari sensei precise that. That’s why I’m interested to talk with other people to get their opinion and create mine opinion too (like you did in fact). And also, it will be very interesting to talk with people who don’t read the same translation LN (because I get it in the net), because, I think, even a professional can’t produce a perfect translation of this LN, so I think if you read the original work or the us translation, the french translation or a fan translation, your pov will be different.

    see you

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    1. I don’t really want to produce a “real translation”. That means my aim is not write what Watari-sensei would write if he speak my language, but just own Oregairu and obtain a new piece. In fact, it is like an adaptation, and not a very faithful adaptation, because for me, the meaning of an adaptation is to show the difference of perception of the same thing, between two people.

      So it’s like that. I ever thought you want to TL Oregairu into your own language.

      The main problem, is this masterpiece is so complex, that for many few detail, I don’t have any opinion or guess about what could explain that, or why Watari sensei precise that. That’s why I’m interested to talk with other people to get their opinion and create mine opinion too

      I admit Oregairu is so complex. Almost every other LN are not complex extremely like this one.

      even a professional can’t produce a perfect translation of this LN, so I think if you read the original work or the us translation, the french translation or a fan translation, your pov will be different.

      I totally agree your opinion. Because just one word can be interpreted in many meanings. Sometimes, translators will use his own experience or custom of his country to TL words, let alone dialogues.

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  10. “So it’s like that. I ever thought you want to TL Oregairu into your own language.”

    In fact, I really write something in my own language, but the question is, is really still Oregairu ?
    The awnser is no, because I change many things, remove many things and add many things. For example, I hate the character of Zaimokuza, and Watari seems to love this character and has many trip with him. So I remove most of the part where the LN focus on him. There are a lot of reference about old anime, TV show that I didn’t know. I remove it and replace with my own reference. There are a lot of reflexion of Hachiman that I don’t understand, so I modify this reflexion with some example I get. And there are a lot more modification, so in fact, it is like a fanfic, but without new plot story element.
    At the end, it is the same story, but with a different reflexion background, and a different way to see the character. So that’s why, to have “false” pov (false that mean not canon, not what Watari thought) is not a problem at all.

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    1. Will you start with LN v1? I think since Watari-sensei uses Hachiman to tell the whole story via his point of view, sometimes I feel Watari uses some language technique or something I can’t describe correctly, but it can make readers misunderstand or convince into another things. You should be careful in this technique of him. ;3

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  11. Yeah I start with the first volume of the LN. I’m currently at the point where Yui appears, and I use also Hachiman to describe everything. For me is the key of the LN, my romantic comedy is false, as expected. Everything Hachiman perceives is distorded by this thought, and there is always a mind game between the reader and the LN, to know what is the reality, what Hachiman don’t care to mention because he already knows that what he truly perceive is false (even if many times, it is not the case).
    So if I want to show that Haruno has a crush on Hachiman, I can’t do like in the manga, because Hachiman can’t perceive what the manga shows, but I need to be more subtile.
    It is also my way to explain why everything is so caricatural in this piece (Yukino with the cat, Yui with the dog, Saki with her brocom, Totsuka), but also so deep and complex. You can just it is a LN, so that why it is caricatural, but you can also argue that it is normal that except Hachiman, everything is distorded because it is his point of you.

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    1. I used material from LN as the main reference since it’s original source and so much detail. Manga and anime are the secondary source, but sometimes, these secondary mediums help me to understand what’s going on in LN a lot. I agree with you it’s mind game between us and LN.

      Will you write about Hiratsuka-sensei too or not?

      It’s too bad you will not share your work in the internet. Since I wrote about Haruno and Hayama, I want to read articles about them, from other people like you too.

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  12. Haha, of course I will write about Hiratsuka-sensei. But you know, the only character that truly “change” in my TL is in fact Hachiman. If you change in the LN a character like Hiratsuka-sensei, you don’t really change Hiratsuka-sensei, but just the way Hachiman sees her.
    I love every girls in this anime (and Totsuka, because, you know, Totsuka must e a girl XD ). In fact, the only character I dislike is Zaimokuza, because, for me, he is totaly useless.
    The only passage I will skip from the anime, is the passage where Zaimokuza come to the club to ask them to help him with his LN. Because it is a very short chapter and also, I really don’t find any interest in it, except the fact, that it speak about LN, and when you are a LN writer, you can’t be really impartial about it. It can’t be a random point of view, even if it is not Watari’s POV. But I will use Zaimokuza I think, because he will be usefull to show Hachiman reaction with other loner, and how he see them.

    I don’t share my TL work, because I think nobody would be interested by that. First, it is in french, that reduced a lot the hypothetical person. Secondly, if I says, “hey, it is like a translation but I don’t respect at all the original piece”, they will say “Why do you do that, it is useless ?”. Third, if I say : ” Oh you know, you can see this like a fan fiction”,the will say ” But concretly, there are no new plot or action added in your work!”.
    And even if someone find this pretty cool, they just say, hey, “it’s cool !” and not “why do you change this ? What means this passage ? Why do you precise that ?”, ect.
    And good news, for the people who just want read the LN in french, the LN come in France this years ! I will of course buy them.
    An finally, this TL work is a very personnal work. Yahari belong to the 4 masterpiece that change my life. It has more impact that my friend, or my family. So it us a way to express what Yahari means for me, or think more about this piece.

    Your work it’s quite different. It talk about some crucial point that I think everybody when the read the LN or watch the anime, think : “But why Haruno do that?” or “damn, who can be the Y..”. And it is a amazing work. I really a pleasure to read your analysis. For example, with all this picture of Harino, I can’t be helped, but I just think, oh my god, Haruno, you are so cute. How I could not like you the first time I watch the anime !

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    1. Haha. If Totsuka is a girl, 8man would not hesitate to …

      True. French TL will not gather people a lot since I can’t read it either. sigh~ But it’s good news Oregairu (French ver.) will be released. I don’t know they will plan to TL “another” too or not, but this is good news. It’s my luck to have discussion with French about this story.

      I understand what you mean if some people see your work as Fanfic. I remember someone thought my analysis is fanfic too, and that surprised me. (‘O’)

      Thanks for your praising. I intend to write about what I found in Oregairu more.

      About Haruno, at first I don’t get why she did something like that. But she sure is very interesting character so that’s why I look for the reason she did this and that.

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