Oregairu Analysis – The First Broken Heart of Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人) [Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Seasons 2 Ep 1-2]

The first bitter love story of Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人) never be revealed. However, because of a certain person, his words become the key to unlock Hayato’s heart.

Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人) is disgraceful to ask Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡), the one he hates the most. (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU TOO! やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。續 anime Ep 2)

From Oregairu Zoku ep1, because of a certain boy’s words, I realize that Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人) was rejected by someone, before he attended to Sobu high school. This Yahari analysis will reveal one of his bitter past.

Before I will start

I actually wrote this post since December (!!) but it took time more than I expected. So I publish this analysis in February. But before you will read this, I strongly recommend you to read LN v7, Yahari Zoku anime ss2 ep1-2 and manga -Monologue- v6 before proceed.

ps.

  • Please read Attention page first, to let you understand that my all analysis are not 100% right.
  • Spoilers up ahead.
  • I recommend you to read/watch Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. (やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。), Oregairu (俺ガイル) LN/anime Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku (やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続)/manga Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabu Kome wa Machigatteiru. -Monologue- (やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。-妄言録-) before proceed.
  • My English sucks.

Update

2/5/2020 – After I wrote this post, I found something important and decided to add something more in this article. Actually, I don’t want to update it that much because something new I found in LN v7 doesn’t interest me. But I think if someone want to know the core of the bitter memories of Hachiman, the relationship after confessed the feelings to someone closed. To warp and read this new issue, click Ctrl button and F button and search with this keyword, The core of “confessing the feelings and be rejected”

Actually, let me confess to you first that I was not interested what happened in school trip much (except new character design and beautiful scenes in Kyoto). Or should I say, what happened in LN v8 stole my attention completely.


Yukinoshita Yukino (雪ノ下 雪乃) & Yuigahama Yui (由比ヶ浜 結衣) trust Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡). (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。續 anime ep 2)Another reason is I had not understood about thought of each characters. But when I discovered something important, I will write it, in case anyone is interested to read. For example, Why are Yukinoshita Yukino and Yuigahama Yui So Angry at Hikigaya Hachiman (During The School Trip)?


But after I read LN v7, I found something very interesting. I recommend you to read it if you want to know about Hayama, because Yahari anime season 2 ep1-2 are awesome, but they lack important details.

The starting point that made me interest Hayama’s behavior that made me decide to write this analysis, is in Data 1. He stops Hachiman to say “something”, and when he talks with Hachiman again at the riverside during the school trip, I started to think that even Hayama, who is the type that no any girls will refuse him, had bad experience, his life is not all rose.

Mito Ikumi presented A5 Japanese beef roti don for all judges to taste. (Shokugeki no Soma ep7)
I still don’t know what this flower is.

Wrong pic!!

Data 1: Hachiman’s Topic Is Very Painful.

In the service club, while Hachiman is exemplifying why what Tobe Kakeru (戸部 翔 ) is going to do is risky by telling everyone (Tobe, Hayama, Yukinoshita Yukino (雪ノ下 雪乃), Yuigahama Yui (由比ヶ浜 結衣), Ooka and Yamato (in anime, Ooka and Yamato don’t go to the service club) about his own painful nightmare, but it seems Tobe is not worried about those risks that much because he never experiences something like that before, so Hachiman needs to explain more. The next topic he is going to say is…

the relationship after you confess your feeling to the one you are close.

Data 2: At The Riverside

While Hachiman are talking to Hayama to find out why he didn’t support Tobe as much as he should, some info from Hayama interested me.

Data 2.1

Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人) is saying his own bitter experience. (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU TOO! やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。續 anime ep 2)

“You might be right. But… the things you lose won’t come back.”

He spoke as if he was looking back on past experiences. I wasn’t the type to ask about the deeper implications behind what was said. Whatever happened to Hayama in the past, I had absolutely no interested in.

Data 2.2

” We might be able to just pretend it never happened. We’re quite good at that after all.”


These two data are what I will focus on because after I notice that Hachiman’s words in data 1, makes Hayama stop Hachiman to say. And his expression after that…, makes me think that Hachiman’s words impacts him silently, and he needs to stop Hachiman to not explain about that topic more than that. And that topic is “the relationship after you confess your love to the one you are close.”

This Hachiman’s words from Data1 is the first clue to prove my doubtfulness why Hayama tries to stop him.

In this LN v7, the author reveals the important sub stories within the main story. The love experience of Hayama in the past, is one of these sub stories. However, all sub stories are not revealed clearly and completely as the author’s style.

Analyze from Data1

Sobu Highschool
The service club

Evening

“Obviously, there’s bunch left. Like for example, the good relationship between you two after you confess.
is what Hayama ever experienced in the past.

Why do I think like that? At first, I didn’t notice about Hachiman’s words and how Hayama stops him, because I think Hayama doesn’t want him to discourage Tobe more than that. And I agree with Hachiman that Hayama would take care any risks that will happen to his friend. Therefore, I misinterpreted by his expression in anime ss2 ep1, his smile is the only reaction we can get from anime. Anime didn’t show [his other expressions] (such as when he raises his eyes that Hachiman notices that it’s different from the usual Hayama. or when he turns to talk with his other friends that shows his painful smile).

Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人) is a nice guy (or not). (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU TOO! やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。續 ep 1)
It couldn’t help, OK? This was the first time I watched new season of Yahari, I was so excited! The scenes and characters are well made. ( –   -)

But when I read LN v7 during free time, I started to think it’s …weird. If he recommend service club to Tobe, so the trio will reject Tobe’s request instead of him (I might explain about this later), it’s very odd to stop Hachiman shut his mouth. Because his negative description might discourage his friend and Tobe might change his mind in the end. So stopping Hachiman, is not good for Hayama’s objective. His reactions and objective are not consistent. That’s why I started to suspect why he stops Hachiman.

I think his expressions are the key to reach the answer. Why does his expression change from usual? Why is his smile so painful? And why does he stop Hachiman? So when I reviewed about their dialogues again, I feel that Hachiman’s words impacts Hayama’s mind.

It is like when someone says something that makes you recall your own bad experiences, her/his words would impact you more or less.

For Hayama’s case, it will be like this.

  1. He has his own bad memories.
  2. Hachiman’s topic is the same with one of bitter past of Hayama.
  3. Hayama stops him because he can’t stand to listen what Hachiman is going to explain.
  4. However, the damage Hayama took, still remains and huge, so his expression changes and he retreats to somewhere to recover his spirit.

So if my assumption is correct, I will analyze from Data 1 that

  1. the relationship between Hayama and “that person” had been good.
  2. But after he confessed his own feeling to the one he was close, his action made the relationship between him and that person worse.

Out of Topic


The real feeling of Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃). (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 ep 9)I don’t know that the relationship between him and that person before he confessed, was still good or not for real. But I believe in this clue that the author tried to give us an important story. He has habit to reveal and hide clues at the same time, just like when he gave us clues about Yukino and hid them at the same time via other characters in LN v5 that I explained already in Oregairu Analysis – “When” Yukinoshita Haruno Decides to Help Yukino. That’s why although I have no any solid evidence after all, but I will believe in this insufficient but amazing clue and author’s style.


Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) is patting on Hikigaya Hachiman's back (比企谷 八幡), while Yukinoshita Yukino (雪ノ下 雪乃) is watching. (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 Ep 6)Actually, the author’s style would be like that in every LN v1-12. Although I took LN v5 as the example, the better example to see his style is LN v4. The author tried to give the important and interesting fact about Yukino’s feeling, concerning the sibling relationship many times, via Kawasaki Saki (川崎 沙希) and Hikigaya sibling.


I have no clue about the response of “the person” Hayama confessed either. Maybe they tried to be like usual, but from his effort to stop Hachiman in Data 1. it’s possible that she didn’t say “OK” and their uncomfortable feeling grew between them and they felt awkward since then. But I can say that Hayama can’t stand to listen to the similar fact from Hachiman that will pierce his heart, and from clue in LN v8 (Yahari ss2 anime ep4), I got conclusion that Hayama ever believed that “she” would accept his feeling, or had the same feeling to him, it means that he considered from their closeness.

From his information in these scenes below, I ever decoded Hayama’s words back then that “that person” has no feeling like that to him, but their closeness or her own attitude toward him, made him misunderstand about her feeling toward him. And Hachiman’s conclusion when they are talking in these scenes, makes the guy beside him review his own love story, and what he says after that, makes Hachiman misunderstands that Hayama is talking about his feeling (Hachiman’s feeling) because Hayama’s words impacts him to the point he can’t say anything (the similar situation from when Hachiman’s topic in Data1 damages Hayama’s mind). But actually, Hayama is talking about his own love story…

  1. she never love him (or/and anyone).
  2. the close relationship between both of them (when they are still kids, they are close).
  3. and that’s why he misunderstood that brought to the result of his next action, confession.

For example, please imagine that Hayama is not different from us, before he will decide to confess his love to someone who is close to him, he would spend time with her until he believed that this girl would accept your feeling, or has the same feeling. So he went to the upper level = confess his feeling to her.


Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人) forces Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡) to join in the date indirectly. (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU TOO! やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。續 ep4)However, I will not explain about that person that Hayama is thinking of in this ep4, because I explained already in this Oregairu Analysis – The TRUTH(s) behind Hayato’s Sacrifice for Hachiman (Part 3). So if you want to know which girl who broke his heart, feel free to read more. When you click this link, since my analysis is too long, you should use shortcut “ctrl”+”F” and search this heading, THE CONCLUSION OF HAYAMA AND THAT PERSON.


I don’t know what happened between them (Hayama, Yukino and Haruno) that made their relationships shattered, because I don’t know which one happened first (Yukinoshita family issue, bullying, confessing), so I will not guess. But if Yukinoshita family is excluded, I can predict the timeline).

The timeline

  1. Their relationship was still good.
  2. He confessed to his crush to the one who is close to him.
  3. Their relationship started to be distant.
  4. The bullying incident.
  5. ?? (If I need to assume, another one seek help from him (or from that person too), that person expected him to save another one, he didn’t answer her/their expectation(s).)
  6. The relationship between the trio shattered.
  7. Another one studied abroad to escape the cruel world, Hayama focused on soccer to escape reality, that person is alone.

* 4&5 can happen before 2&3. And if it’s like that, Their relationship in 3) that was worse because he didn’t help Yukino, would be broken as expected. It didn’t start to be distant.

ps. Although I said I will not guess, I can guarantee that “she” who had no the same feeling as him, hates him until this day (according to her malice toward him sometimes), and if you didn’t read my two analysis, I explained that she rejected Hayama two times, in this Oregairu story. I will tell you more that those events happened in LN v8. The second rejection didn’t happen in anime because important dialogues were cut, so you can’t notice that she did that to him, and even Hachiman didn’t notice it either. But anime displays the third rejection (I think it is allowed to show it because the event during the double date is very complex, most people don’t know that it’s the rejection.


The second event when she rejects Hayama, it happens in LN v8. I say “the second” because the first time he was rejected by her for a long time, so when she hurts him again when they are in that place, this would be the second time. You can read how it happened more in


Analyze from Data2

Kyoto
Evening

With the conclusion that Hayama was rejected by that person, from Hachiman’s words and Hayama’s actions in Data1, I will skip to the event to the scene when he talks with Hachiman again at the riverside during the school trip, because I reviewed LN v7 to find more Hayama’s clues but didn’t find anything until I reached the scene when Hachiman follows Hayama to the riverbank.

The reason why Hayama doesn’t support Tobe like he should as his friend, we know already because he tells Hachiman that he doesn’t want anything to change, he is happy to have his clique like this. And Tobe’s action is leading to the destruction of Hayama’s sanctuary, where he built with his own nice guy image so he can live in the school comfortably.

What is important is we must not interpret some dialogues word by word only. But finding the connection and the consistent with emotions of characters. If I can’t find the consistent, I will exclude that assumption. For example,

Analyze Data 2.1

“You might be right. But… the things you lose won’t come back.”

From this quote, you will see that Hayama says as if he ever lost something that never come back (although Hachiman would think that the guy in front of him is talking about Tobe and Ebina Hina (海老名 姫菜)). So I try to connect [the quote in Data1] and [this quote] together. With this, the story about his love experience expands. So if I need to decode his words above, the result is…

[The relationship between him and that person and that person herself are the “things” he loses, and they never come back.]

And if I need to choose only choice between [the relationship between him and that person] or [that person], I would choose the relationship, because he is answering Hachiman’s words about relationship. So I think “things” Hayama is meaning, is the relationship. Although in the end, they are not different much. Lose relationship = lose her.

Out of Topic Again.

Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡) Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人) (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku ep4)

And in this season 2 ep4, the multidimensional plan he launches, becomes the huge mistake that slashes their slim relationship again. But he himself doesn’t know why he can’t recover what he lost, even if his plan is so perfect, until he reaches the answer after read a certain book later, in a certain memorandum in LN v10. When he realizes that he hurt her again, he also reaches the conclusion that she will never be close with him anymore.

Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人) (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku ep4)

Analyze Data 2.2

“We might be able to just pretend it never happened. We’re quite good at that after all.

These words are another interesting clue to focus. Because when I read LN v7 to this point, I notice that his words this time is …weird, because although I can interpret that Hayama is talking about the situation in his own group, it means he tells Hachiman that his friends have no problem to forget what happened.

Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人) Yuigahama Yui (由比ヶ浜 結衣) Miura Yumiko (三浦 優美子) Ebina Hina (海老名 姫菜) Tobe Kakeru (戸部 翔) Ooka (大岡) Yamato (大和) in the classroom. (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU TOO! やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。續 ep1)

But if he tells us that he and his clique can pretend to forget that it never happen, then why is he so worried to the present situation and get in the way? If he thinks his friends can pretend to forget that Tobe’s confession never happen, then he should help him to confess to Ebina, he shouldn’t be worried that his friend’s action will ruin his comfortable place. That’s why I think Hayama is not talking about his own group.

The next question is, then who does he mean? Who are “we” that he is mentioning?

Filter to find the answer.

  1. To find the answer, what I can do is reviewing the dialogue during the riverside scene again so I might understand Hayama’s thought more. And I don’t think interpreting just one speech, doesn’t work in this case. So I need to look the connection. What do I mean? I mean, the Data 2.1 & 2.2 have a connection because I notice Hayama is thinking of his own past (Data 2.1), so when he talks Data 2.2, I think he is still thinking about his past so he is talking the solution for the broken relationship between him and other people who is not in his clique, in his own style. And that is “pretending that it never happened”.
  2. And if I need to find out who is/are “other people” that he is mentioning, I just need to look back at [the result of Data 1 analyzing] + [Data 2.1], other people is “the one who is close to him”.
  3. The next process is, I will filter by excluding his clique, I also exclude everyone who is not close to him too. With this, I can decrease people who are close to him to the two results. Because I will not include his parents (and probably Yukinoshita sisters’s parents) because it’s no way he confessed his love to them. It doesn’t make sense.
  4. Therefore, I can filter the results to the only one choice, because if he confessed his feeling to someone, it means that there’s only one person (who will confess love to multiple girls in the reality world, that I don’t know. But for his case, there’s only one girl who sits in his heart).
  5. The person who is the answer, must be close to him before the story of Yahari, because his love profile during high school, is very clean for a popular guy like him. He never confess love to anyone during Oregairu story either. So the answer is not people who started to know him in the Sobu high school either.
  6. And from the second speech of Data 2.2, he knows well that person and him are skillful at that. If you wonder about how to pretend that his confession never happen, you can explore in
    1. LN v6, the scene when he meets that person again during the school cultural festival. From Hachiman’s point of view, he thinks their relationship is close, and I also agree.
    2. In LN v8 (Oregairu anime season2 ep3), some important scenes in anime were excluded, so you can’t see [how Hayama realizes her/his true reason why he was called by that person], and [how that person hurts him after that]. And remained scenes in anime shows how both of them talk shortly only. If those two scenes are included in that event, I believe that watchers will see the true condition definitely.
    3. Or even v10 (anime season ep10), when he is with that person, they can behave in front of Hachiman and Yuigahama and even Yukino and Mrs.Yukinoshita normally.
    4. And the scene in LN v11, when that person is disgust him although they talk normally during Pre-Valentine Cooking class.

He and that person can manage to make people believe that their relationship is very positive. But it’s not like they intend to “trick” people, they consider that their negative relationship is something …personal, it’s unnecessary to let other people know or they will gossip about them, it’s like …self defence. Sometimes you have no any choice but pretend to smile or act like normal and even cheerful when you meet someone you hate. No one want other people smell something fishy between them and start “talk show”.
Some people were not taught well by their family and even their lives are miserable, to the point they will seek any entertainment to make them happy or forget the suffering, although it’s just temporarily.

The scene in LN v6 that I mentioned above ⇑, is good example to show that both of them can pretend that their relationship is still close. And I think Hayama wants to believe that person would forget what he did in the past already. Or should I say, he hopes that person will forget it so their relationship would be like as they are pretending (be close for real).


Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人) points "the worst ending" of the problem the planning committee to everyone. (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 anime ep 10)
I’ll make them worried.

And if you still wonder about that scene I mean, and “we” that Hayama mentions, you can explore more in LN v6 c4 (not bomb). Or if you want to explore more to see how he is jealous and stops that person to not approach Hachiman, you can read more in Oregairu Analysis – “LOVE Plan ♥” of Hayama Hayato During The Cultural Festival? The Time to Reveal This Has Come! (The First Part). And also how he is the one who wants to spend time with her and even tries to win her heart.


However, although both of them are skillful to that, and Hayama wants that person to forget what he did, it seems s/he never forgets what he did, because what happened in LN v8 shows how that person never forgives him and s/he doesn’t mind to reject him again, while Hachiman isn’t catching sight of this rejection, but I notice that her/his hatred leaks from the mask. So if you want to read in full version how it happens and the second rejection, you can read more in Oregairu Analysis – The TRUTH(s) behind Hayato’s Sacrifice for Hachiman (Part 1). And search this paragraph – THE MORE HE REALIZES, THE MORE DESPAIR COMES.


So to sum it sup about analyzing Data 2.2, Hayama is talking about how he wants that person to forget [his own mistake] that hurt that person and the one that person cares for. To forget about it = to reset.

“…I’ve always been thinking. About a way to take back the things that I destroyed.”

From his own mini sin confession above in LN v8 (Oregairu Zoku anime ep4), it connects to another mistake that he did to that person during double date event as well. When he realizes that he fails to take back the things that he destroyed in the past, this moment and his multidimensional plan reflects his own desire (to change her mind, stop hating him and even has the opposite feeling for him.) = reset and recovery (what is he, computer?).

If I sort timeline,

  1. in LN v7, he imagines the easy way to forget everything (both of them just pretend to forget, as he is doing until now).
  2. in LN v8 during the certain event, her/his second rejection becomes his impulse to launch multidimensional plan to reset, take back things he destroyed and solve other problems. But the third rejection is the conclusion of his wish.

If that person can forget or even forgive him, it would be like a miracle for him. But since that person realizes what happened during the double date, along with ill intent via his  actions, his mission to take back things he destroyed, fails.

 

So these data are the first broken heart of him who ever experienced the bitter result in the past. His case is similar to what almost happen to Tobe that makes me get near the story between Hayama Hayato and his crush. Maybe it’s possible that he is worried that his friend will be rejected and Ebina might separate from his group, but his peaceful place is his priority.

 

The core of “confessing the feelings and be rejected”

This is the new issue that I decided to write because I found something important and I wrote it in this post. There you will find out that I analyzed the event in anime Zoku ep5 (student council election) that I found something new that I called them “the deepest layer” and “the core”. They are something that are not about the story but the story can tell you something surprising and they are the reasons why I decided to write something more in this post too because it seems the deepest layer and the core are kinda different from what I analyzed about characters in v7. However, I will not explain the deepest layer and the core but share how-to decode characters’ thoughts instead to understand the meaning of the deepest layer and the core in v7 instead.

Sound confusing, right? That’s why if you want to understand the meaning of things I explained, you need to read the post I inserted its link above. If you don’t want to read that post, it’s fine but please don’t waste your precious time to read things I shared below because it’s so difficult to understand why I suggested how-to like that. So let me keep them short by beginning with Hachiman’s bitter mistake in the past, confessed his feelings but the result is not what he hoped.

Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡) Yukinoshita Yukino (雪ノ下 雪乃) Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人) Yuigahama Yui (由比ヶ浜 結衣) Tobe Kakeru (戸部 翔) (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku (やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続) anime ss2 ep 1)

I will assume that you would read my recommendation already so I will share how-to read Hachiman’s mistake to find “the core”. The core is not about the story and characters. I want you to focus at when Hachiman says that Tobe’s desire (confess his feelings to Ebina) is risky, he tells that confessing the feelings and be rejected that I found out later that his past has the same thing that I know already because I found it after decoded the post above with my own how-to. At this point, please follow this instruction to find the core.

  • Ignore all characters.
  • I recommend LN v7 to read Hachiman’s explanation (how confessing the feelings is risky until he says about the relationship after doing that to the close person) as the plain text (ignore the speaker, Hachiman too) because this is the best reference that helped me to find the core easily.
  • Ignore even the present event too.

The core at this point is not about the story and characters but it is still holding its meaning. After you found out something after following this how-to, you can look back at Hayama’s expression and Hachiman’s past. Hayama’s facial expression and Hachiman’s story make sense to me. What I found after read Hachiman’s info (except his suffering because people know his action because I’m not sure if I should include this info to the consideration too or not) is what I will call it, the core. And you will understand why Hachiman tells Yukino that most middle school students experienced something like this, why Hayama tells Hachiman that he understands that problem (the changable relationship) will be managed. It’s not like Hayama will take care Tobe’s bad possibility (the relationship between Tobe and Ebina will be changed) because the core is not about the story and them.

Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人) is a nice guy (or not). (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU TOO! やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。續 ep 1)
I believe my way of life is the best. What do you think?

Actually, if the answer you found after used how-to, is the same thing with the answer I found, you will understand why Tobe tells that Hayama is a nice guy and has the good look so he would not be worried about something like this. After I decoded Hachiman’s past to find its core, I agree with Tobe although I still believe that Hayama would experienced something like that. Sound confusing, right? But it’s not confusing because I told you that the core is not about the story and them.

When the explaination about Ebina connects with the explaination about Miura.

At this point, please remember that after the trio discussed about Tobe and Ebina and concluded that the gap between both of them are too wide. To tell you the truth, Hachiman’s long explanations about Ebina and Mirua during their discussion can find the core but this time is more difficult the previous. If you want to find it, follow my how-to, ignore the present event, characters, read his explanation as the plain text, connect the info about Ebina and Miura to “one info”.

Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡) notices Miura Yumiko (三浦 優美子) & Ebina Hina (海老名 姫菜). (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU TOO! やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。續 Ep 4)

Why does Hachiman believe that Ebina’d think that Yuigahama and Miura’d side with Tobe?

After I found out how to find the core and the deepest layer behind characters’ thought/feeling, I checked Hachiman’s disagreement toward Yuigahama’s idea (include Miura to assist them) and found out that Hachiman’s explanation or reason why he rejects her idea, has “the hidden truth”. The hidden truth is about the story but not the present, it’s the future. In order to understand it, you need to switch characters. This also requires reading the post I suggested above or you will not understand why I need to switch characters to find the hidden truth.

  1. Switch Ebina to Haruno, switch Miura to Yukino, switch Tobe to Hayama (I will explain why you need to do this later).
  2. Read Hachiman’s explanation despite you switched as (1).

You will see the reflection or the future story between Haruno, Yukino, Yuigahama, and Hayama slowly and natuarally. This is the hidden truth or the reflection of the future I found after read Hachiman’s reason why he objects Yuigahama’s idea to bring Miura to help. If you already read the post I recommended above, you will understand the worry that Ebina Haruno will not feel good toward Yuigahama if Miura Yukino is included to Tobe Hayama’s matter.

Actually, Hachiman’s long reason is kinda complex for me despite I realized something about them in the future because some seasoning thoughts in Hachiman’s reason are the important factor that can cause some confusion. But if you believe in whatever I found in the post I suggested, I believe you can connect all the dots.

The core and the hidden truth of Hachiman’s explanation [Tobe’s interest toward Ebina].

His long explanation about Tobe’s feelings toward Ebina and her action is the area we can find the core and the hidden truth.

The hidden truth

It’s about the story. You can switch Tobe > Hayama and Ebina > Haruno and read Hachiman’s long explanation about Tobe’s feelings for Ebina to find the truth.

The core

As I always say that it’s not about the story. So you should ignore the present event (Tobe’s request) and characters, read his explanation as the plain text.

The strategy – become lovers within 4 days/3 nights.

I think I don’t need to suggest you to decode Hachiman’s strategy since my recommendation can explain better or the event in v8 can provide that. But what I can tell you more that Tobe’s confession event during the school trip is one of retake among many retakes that can reflect something similar in the future between the trio, Haruno, Hayama.

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If my assumption about Tobe’s love event is the retake of the future, is correct, you will understand why Hachiman confesses the feelings to Ebina, why Tobe asks the service club for help, why Miura tells Hachiman to not hurt Ebina, etc.

Explain about Ebina and Saki.

If you still remember the scene when Ebina drags Saki to sit near Tobe so he can’t move in the train. If we see this scene as the present story, we’d understand that Ebina uses Saki to be her shield so Tobe can’t move freely that ruins Yuigahama’s secret plan to arrange their seats. But after I experienced finding the hidden truth by switching characters, I also realized from my recommendation post that Ebina and Saki’ stories can reflect something about Haruno. If you are confused why I think like this, turn right and read that post.

After I witnessed that Ebina, Saki, and some characters can be switched to Haruno so I can find something surprising, now I will look at Ebina and Saki who are sitting at their seats in the train. I remember that Ebina is more excited than usual and Saki is bored/upset, their reactions/feelings can make me see Haruno by combining both of them together. I can see how she is cheerful as Ebina presents but her true feeling is as Saki presents. The reason why her outer/inner feelings are like that during that time, I assume that she would be in the situation that makes her express and feel the same/similar as Ebina and Sakisaki. Ah, this can be the hidden truth of the future.

Explain about Totsuka and Hachiman.

You would remember too that Totsuka and Hachiman choose to sit over there from Hayama’s enterprise. If I’m not wrong, their positions can reflect about Haruno and Hachiman in the future event too. Oh! Totsuka can reflect something about Haruno too. I will let those two boys explain Haruno and Hachiman’ situation instead. And Yuigahama’s action this time would explain something in the future too. Whoa…

Explains about Saki, Totsuka, and deceiving.

I skip many events to this point because it’s similar with what I decrypted in my post above. Now we reach this scene.

Here comes the darkening of Kawasaki Saki (川崎 沙希). (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU TOO! やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。續 anime ep 2)

Yeah, you can see Saki is afraid of something and Totsuka is excited. The issue Hachiman explains while they are that place is interesting. The ghost event or the future situation connects with his explanation about people pretend to be the ghosts so they can haunt other people is the scariest thing. Yes, he is explaining about people in the future who will do something the similar. I will let the image explain itself.

Therefore, if I combine Saki and Totsuka to see the reflection of Haruno, I feel that this event and these people can explain something more about her and others. For Haruno’s case, I think she would show the same/similar expression as Totsuka but feel the same/similar as Saki, I’m not sure if Saki and Totsuka’ road runners can reflect something about Haruno in the future though. And I’m not sure if Hachiman will do the similar thing to Yuigahama too.

Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡) just realizes his action is strange for Yuigahama Yui (由比ヶ浜 結衣). (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。續 anime ep 1)

Traveling to the darkness.

Hayama with Miura, Tobe with Ebina, and Yuigahama with Hachiman? I’m not sure how to interpret people except Tobe and Ebina who I can say that this is the reflection of Hayama (Tobe) and Haruno (Ebina). The darkness of that place might reflect the atmosphere or the situation among these people. And this is one of the hidden truths for you.

If the the certain event that I found from LN v8 is correct, it means I must switch Miura to Yukino too because this will connect with the truth during the school council election “Yukino has Hayama’s assistance (or something, well, I forgot)”. And we can’t forget the important character like her, right?

The conversation between Miura and Hachiman.

The scene when he meets Miura and they talk about his action that causes some trouble to others include herself. I believe that I should switch her with Yukino because I believe that Yukino would understand Ebina her sister’s feeling and I’m not surprised if she doesn’t want anyone hurt her Nee-san and be distant from others (not Hayama’s group but Hachiman’s group instead), the similar case with Ebina’s action toward Miura’s good will (introducing boys to her friends) in the past. “Introducing boys to Ebina” can be changed to “introducing Hayama to her big sis”, got it? I will not say that Yukino will do like that but I believe that introducing Hayama to Haruno will happen because it is related to the hidden truth I found in v8 that I already wrote in the post I recommended.

Tobe Kakeru (戸部 翔)'s desire to spend time during The X'mas with Ebina Hina (海老名 姫菜) reflects Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人) wants the same with that person. (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU TOO! やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。續 anime ep6)

Someone will do something.

Hachiman tells Miura that Hayama would do something that makes her feel relieved. But I don’t think Hayama will do something so Haruno will not be distant from Yukino if he will become the reason she will be far away. So I will switch Hayama to Hachiman to let you see how the future problem will be solved. And this is the hidden truth for you. The reason I assume like this because I remember the scene when Hachiman makes the fake confession to Ebina to stop Tobe.

Ebina Hina (海老名 姫菜) can escape, thanks to Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡). (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku)

How Ebina is saved would be similar with how a certain person will be saved.

Why does Ebina say she hates herself?

I think this is how to reflect some truths about Ebina’s agent, Haruno. I will let the story tell itself. Switching Ebina to Haruno can explain why Ebina says she might go well with Hachiman too. Hachiman’s analyzing about Ebina can explain about her agent too. Moreover, explaining about Ebina by Hachiman and herself will connect with the combination between Ebina&Sakisaki at the train, Totsuka&Sakisaki at the haunted place too. Whoa…

 

If you remove your glasses, Ebina-san…

And this is the hidden truth for you. Please don’t forget when Hachiman explains about himself in the end too because I suspect that he will do something (will solve the future problem) by doing something the same or similar with lying. Not only that, his action can find “the deepest layer” too. In order to find that layer, ignore the present/future event, every characters, read Hachiman’s explanation as the plain text.

 

…I think I forget to explain someone, who is that person?

 

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More Clues about Love Story Between Hayama & That Person.

After this incident, Hayama would listen to the bad news from his crush.

Hayama’s crush? The answer starts with “Y”.

The first attempt to win her heart of Hayama during the school cultural festival.

And how the first love plan fails by his love rival.

After he meets her again, the second rejection delivers to him.

The second broken heart, makes him start the multidimensional plan, all for capturing her heart (and other goals).

While he is talking with Hachiman, he gets the conclusion between him and that person, at that time.

He tries his best to become the brave hero in front of her. Unfortunately, she can see through his intention.

But to solve another problem, the brave knight let his crush play the queen/princess role. That will lead to the huge mistake.

In the end, her answer for him is the third rejection.

Related Oregairu analysis in LN v7 or Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku anime ep1-2.

Their angers occurs because of different reasons. But the final conclusion are the same.

Author: Yahari Bento ( T AT)=@

Eye wanna eat grilled tuna & cucumber with dill salsa. It would be SO GOOD! SO GOOD! ( ^ )3^)

2 thoughts on “Oregairu Analysis – The First Broken Heart of Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人) [Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Seasons 2 Ep 1-2]”

  1. Interesting! I’ve never read anything focused on Hayato before – I’ve obviously been missing out! Good job on a great post ☺

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