Oregairu Analysis – Why Does Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) Want Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡) to Ask Yukino (雪ノ下 雪乃) About Her Career Path? [Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Season 2 Ep 11-12]

Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) "pokes" Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡)'s cheek so he will not complain. (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku)

Does Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) just want to know career path of her younger sister, Yukinoshita Yukino (雪ノ下 雪乃) but she knows well that her sister would not tell her, so she asked HIkigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡) to get this info? Or there is other reason? Or her motive is… This Yahari analysis will decode “the real reason” why she gave him this homework, and related questions.

Before I will start

I strongly recommend you to read LN v10, Yahari Zoku anime ss2 ep11 and manga -Monologue- v11 before proceed.

ps.

  • Please read Attention page first, to let you understand that my all analysis are not 100% right.
  • Spoilers up ahead.
  • This analysis was written before LN v12 will come in this September.
  • I recommend you to read/watch Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. (やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。), Oregairu (俺ガイル) LN/animeYahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku (やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続)/manga Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabu Kome wa Machigatteiru. -Monologue- (やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。-妄言録-) before proceed.
  • This analysis was written before LN v12.
  • My English sucks.

This post will focus on the scene when Haruno waited for Hachiman and asked him to walk with her to the train station. While they were walking, she asked him which career path her sister chose. And she will meet him again to get an answer.

As usual, I will write my old assumption first.

My old assumption

Since I didn’t know much why Haruno wanted Hachiman to ask career path of Yukino, but

  1. she asked her sister once (after Yukino asked her about career path of Hayama)
  2. and asked him again (when they walked to the train station)
  3. and if you remember the story in LN v6 (anime ss1 ep9), when she hurt after she realized from Yuigahama Yui (由比ヶ浜 結衣) that her sister chose the same path with her.

So I assumed that she would want to know career path of her sister to confirm that she still chooses the same choice or something like that, because she was worried about her sister. That’s why she asked him to get this info for her, since she knew well that her sister would not tell her (let alone after the encounter of both of them recently).

But!!

After I watched ep12 (when she met him again at some cafe) and what happened during making chocolate in the school), I doubt my own assumption is correct or not, since it seems she didn’t show any attitude that she met him alone to get the answer (career path of her sister), and she didn’t try to use any effective way to make him say it either.

And what the drama that happened in ep12 is very suspicious to me. I am not sure why I felt like that, but Her appearance and actions during making chocolate, would have some connection with her answer checking with him that happened previously and recently, because I didn’t believe that there is no any significance in these two incidents. They must have some meaning and I don’t think it’s because of simple reason such as Haruno is worried which career path her sister chose.

Let alone what happened in ep13, Haruno “changed” for some reason and she became Albir** Im** to pressure the trio by casting gravity magic. I were confused in many things. So I dropped this suspicion in the end, since I admit that it’s too difficult for me.

But this doubt returned to me again when I write two Oregairu analysis, now I can see “her step” that made me realize why she messed/meddle/annoyed/whatever negative to trio and her sister. Actually, I recommend you to read LN v10 carefully and watched anime Oregairu Zoku ep10-11 to see and grasp her step via her own story. But if you are still confused after do that, I recommend you to read my two analysis instead.


Finally Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) can solve her problem. (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。續 anime Ep 10)1) Oregairu Analysis – Why does Yukinoshita Haruno Call Yukino Over? – I wrote how Haruno witnessed the bad signal from her sister, that made her decide that she needed to do something.


Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) dislikes when Yukinoshita Yukino (雪ノ下 雪乃) asks her about Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人). (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。續 anime ep 11)2) Oregairu Analysis – Why Is Yukinoshita Haruno So Upset Yukino When She Asks Her About Career Path of Hayama Hayato? – I wrote how she pretended that she came to the school to be the tutor, to assist students to decide their career path.


My new assumption

In order to know why Haruno wanted Hachiman to ask Yukino about her future career path, I need to focus on Haruno’s story. And I think explain by using two ep in anime would be easy to explain.

Ep10 – Haruno witnessed the bad signal of yukino.

When her mother told her, Hayama and Yukino to go with her, Yukino didn’t move as she said, so her mother tried to urge (that Hachiman can notice she was ordering her daughter to go with them). When Yukino didn’t know how she can escape from this situation, she looked at him quietly to ask him for help. This moment was caught stopped by Haruno. She told to her sister to stop doing that (stop ask help from outsider).

When Yukino heard Haruno’s warning, her shoulders jumped. Although she didn’t ask help from Hachiman anymore, but she still stayed like that, until her mother used effective way to drive her friend away (pretended to invite Hachiman and Yuigahama to this family dinner, if outsiders were invited to go to the private event like this, it’s normal for Hachiman or Yuigahama to decline politely). When Yukino’s friends left the cafe, Yukino had not choice but say good bye to her friends.

This is the moment Haruno watched the bad signal from actions of her sister, when she tried to stop her, she felt so angry but needed to hold her emotions. I am not sure when Haruno was reviewing about this problem, but it should be after family dinner. What I suspect is Haruno was the one who got “heavy mental damage” from Yukino’s action in the past, and when she saw her sister was doing the similar thing to a certain person again, it’s not different from watching her sister did that to her (Haruno) long time ago. So before that bad ending will happen again, she needed to do something. From her eyes and voice when she stopped her sister, I can say that she got mad.

ep11 – Haruno met Hachiman to launch her secret plan.

I noticed Haruno used the same style like when she planned to help her sister during the school cultural festival, after she realized the problem, she will use effective method to achieve the goal. This time is not different, she came to the school after she found out the effective resolve. In ep11, we met her again when the student council arranges academic and career center. I can say that she used this gold opportunity to meet Hachiman, the second idol of Yukino and the center of the circle because this situation happened in the circle between her sister and him. It’s not like she wanted to cling with high school students or mess with her sister or has too much free time, she looked for the suitable time to meet him, and this problem should be solved as fast as possible, so she launched her secret plan quickly, you can notice that she came to school after the incident in the ep10.

However, she got surprise attack from her sister when she asked her about career path of Hayama, that just hear his name and her sister asked her as if she must knows his personal info, made her feel irritated. But don’t get me wrong, I will not say Yukino is wrong or something, but both of them hurt one another in the end.

(Some scenes from now on, didn’t appear in anime.)

Now she met him already, but she needed to meet him alone so she can launch her secret plan. So she waited for him after school, at the window in the student council room with Isshiki Iroha (一色いろは), the student council president and her friend, Hiratsuka Shizuka (平塚 静). When she saw him walking, she told him to wait and went down quickly, let others who must wait with her there. I notice Haruno was afraid he might walk away if she didn’t hurry, so she needed to run so she can catch him.

Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) holds up & waits for Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡) for "some reason". (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。續 anime ep 11)

(In anime, she waited for him at the entrance, but in LN, she spotted him at the student council room, before rushed to him.)

But she is not the type who will say what’s on her mind, so she told him some excuse why she still stayed at the school.

“Phew, I got totally absorbed in talking with Shizuka-chan and Iroha-chan that it got super late.

So he will not know that she was waiting for him… and yes, he didn’t suspect anything. However, let see how she “pretend” again. While she was tired because she rushed to meet him, she made glances around the area and asked him,

Haruno: “Where’s Yukino-chan? You’re not together?”

Hachiman: “She has to catch the train.”

Haruno: “…What the heck. I totally waited for nothing then.”

Her words made him wonder why she totally absorbed in talking if she was waiting for her sister. This made me suspect her intention too. If she waited for her sister for real, it’s no way she can’t notice her, since she was observing. After she recovered from exhaustion, she stood next to him, patted his shoulder and said,

“Okay, Hikigaya-kun will do. Walk me to the station.”

Another thing I am sure that she didn’t wait for her sister, because it’s very weird to wait for Yukino, walk together and wants to ask her about career path, since she ever asked her already earlier, so I don’t think she will get answer from her, let alone their quarrel that just happened previously too. That’s why I will not bet that Haruno was waiting for her sister, or should I say, right now, she needed to avoid her, since she was finding the chance to talk with this boy about her sister alone. With these reasons, I assume that her words just now are just act, because she is not type to reveal her intention to others so easily.

When she saw he was surprised and showed attitude as if he didn’t want to walk with her, since she will not him let go because she needed him for her secret plan, she “decreased” his stamina physically and mentally (I will not spoil her techniques so you can read in LN v10 😀 ) so he will surrender… Her techniques can decrease his stamina but increase his temperature instead (you can notice this at his cheek)… so it has some side effect, ne.

Hachiman can’t escape from this destiny, yielded and asked her if he can get his bike before walk together. When they walked through the night city, she was quiet along the way, I think she was thinking how to introduce the topic indirectly that made her decide to come to meet him. Well, when you want to talk or ask something from someone, it’s very suspicious if you introduce the topic straightforwardly, I mean, listener will suspect why speaker wants to know about that, so she will start with related topic first. That’s why she asked him his career path first.

Ask career path of Hachiman (introduce the topic).

Ask career path of her sister (she straight to the real topic).

Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) "asks" Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡) to check something. (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku)

(although in anime, she introduced the topic instantly).

But it’s not like she pretended to ask his personal info 100%, because I notice when she remembered he always read books, she too, do the same thing when they met again (LN v8, anime Zoku ep3, manga -Monologue- v7), so she interested what kind of books he read. Since she worked as the tutor that day, I think the tutor spirit was still remained in her mind or something like that, That’s why when she knew his favorite kind of books, she started counselling.

Hachiman didn’t think she will give him some advise but since she has good will so he thanked her. When Haruno heard his gratitude, I feel she was happy she can help him because she smiled and coughed. These expressions told me that she was glad (smile) but tried to maintain her attitude too (cough)♥♥

Hachiman: “…Thank you.”

Haruno: “You’re welcome.” Haruno-san smiled and then coughed.

And then, Haruno started the topic she wanted to say. She asked him if he knows about future career path of her sister or not. Hachiman felt disappointed a bit because he thought this is her real intention (ask career path of Yukino). Actually, I think he was right, but 50% right, because she really gave him counselling, but she also was aiming to ask him about her sister too. Anyway, he said he didn’t know about Yukino’s, so Haruno told him that,

…Well, I guess she wouldn’t tell you herself. Hikigaya-kun, make sure to ask her, okay?

Now it’s time to answer my new assumption. I assume that the reason why Haruno wanted Hachiman to ask career path of Yukino, it is not because she wanted to know Yukino’s cp. The evidence is her own remark that I UNDERLINE above ⇑. She concluded that her sister will not reveal her personal info to her second idol, except that idol will be interested and ask her. Such as when her sister always practiced same skills as Haruno secretly (ex. play the same musical instrument, as she admitted in LN v6 (manga -Monologue- v?) that she can do as her big sister did). Haruno’s opinion above is her own experience when she was the first idol of her sister.

After she repeat he will do this mission via her words, she slapped his back to empathize physically that he “must” do this assignment. And she told him formally to ask her sister. Her reiterate made me think that it’s very weird if she did everything just to gain info about which career path that her sister chose. I can say that this mission is very important to her.

From Haruno’s own story, her own technique when she launches her secret plan and her remarks above, made me conclude that she wanted him to “realize something” about her sister. Actually, she can appoint and tell him about her sister, but I think she reviewed about the progress already and decided that it’s better if he will see how her sister “trust” him by revealing her career path.

So I will end my analysis about the objective of Haruno for now. Now she launched her secret plan to solve Yukino’s problem by convincing Hachiman to her own plan because he becomes the second idol of her sister already. That’s why she needed to pull him see the clear picture first, before take the next step.

Related Matters Of Fact

The Hidden Wish of Haruno & Hayama.

After I reviewed her conversation in this LN v10 c6 carefully, I got another matters of fact about Haruno.

After Haruno gave Hachiman assignment, she seems remember something and asked him if he asked Hayama directly. After she realized from him that Hayama told him something, but didn’t tell him which career path he chose, I feel that she was analyzing Hayama’s thoughts by using just one clue from Hachiman. I don’t know what she was thinking so she got the conclusion that he wants something will find him, but I think she reviewed about this topic from her own [experience] and [her secret plan that she was planning right now]. What do I mean?

I mean as my assumption above, I wrote about the reason why Haruno wanted Hachiman ask her sister, and it’s not like she wanted to gain career path info, she wanted Hachiman to understand Yukino’s condition/problem. So if I believe that people will use their own experience and their present to conclude thoughts and feelings of other people (it’s like what I am doing), then Haruno reviewed [her own life = her own past & present] to consider what Hayama was expecting from Hachiman who he told something but didn’t tell him his career path, since the one who was thinking is Haruno, she used her own feelings and thoughts to look for the answer.

That’s why I don’t know Haruno was right or not, Hayama wants someone to know him or not, or the author used her to make us try to focus on or even understand Hayama. But what I can be sure is, right now she felt relate to his suffering (?). When she concluded that he wants something to find him, it means that she wanted to say that no one can understand Hayama or his life. If he lives peacefully, he would not expect someone will understand about him because he already is happy. But if someone want you to understand, it means her/his life is miserable or wants someone to understand why s/he did this. But I will come to the point again that Haruno didn’t mean Hayama, but herself.


Then what is Hayama’s suffering? This second memorandum was written in LN v10, after c6 that is after Haruno came to the school as the tutor and he looked at her. If you want to know about his suffering, you can read more in Oregairu Analysis – 2nd Memorandum: Or, It Can Be This Person’s Monologue.


The evidence that showed me Haruno was meaning herself more than Hayama are…

  1. Her own words – when she got a clue from Hachiman, she said,

    “I see. So Hayato’s expecting something, too.”

    If she was meaning herself? Because “too” means there’s another person who was expecting something, and that person is no one but herself.

  2. Her reactions and words – when Hachiman asked her what Hayama was expecting, she looked his way and made an enchanting smile and answered,

    “Something that’ll find him, I guess.”

    This evidence is not solid evidence because they are reaction and word only and they will be interpreted to anything. But I will let you imagine her thoughts and feelings when she expressed these reactions and words like this, because Haruno showed “her hidden wish” via these factors. If you can’t see the clear picture, I recommend manga -Monologue- v11, because mangaka can draw her reactions and words clearly, although I already watched her expression in anime ep11, manga did the better job because it showed Haruno’s desire via her eyes very well (but scenes in anime are beautiful, OK?). Thanks for his hard work, I can grasp this answer because LN and this manga.

So I will conclude another wish of Haruno that was analyzed from the conversation in ep11.

“Something that’ll find him, I guess.”

(change “something” ⇒ “someone”)

Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) thinks Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人) wants something will find him. (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu My Youth Romantic Comedy Is Wrong, as I Expected. My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku My Teen Romantic Comedy SNAFU TOO! やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。續 ep 11)

She hopes someone will find her.

Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡) interprets that Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) means Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人) is expecting something will find him. (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku)

Eh?

Then, who is Haruno expecting to find her?

If I look from atmosphere, I would bet without any hesitation that she is meaning Hachiman. But I don’t think the author will write he is the only one who will find her either, because her family (mother and her sister) is the cause of her suffering. So if he will be the only one, the story will not be fulfilled.


If you want to know if Haruno is meaning Hachiman or not, you can read this Oregairu Analysis – 3rd Memorandum: If so, just whose monologue was it? The 3rd Memorandum is the last memorandum of a character that expressed her/his suffering. And after you read it, you will find out that her mother and sister are the people who Haruno wants to find her or not.


So I think the author will make her family can understand Haruno, and Hachiman will be the trigger. The trigger is the one who makes her can express her thoughts and feelings, because he is not like her family who had no any intention to understand her (at least for now). But he is the one who can’t understand her but tried to find out why she did this and that more than her mother and her sister.

If I need to bet, I would think Haruno wants her family and the one she looks for can find her. But at this point, she can’t hope her family will understand her, because if they can do it, it would happen already. But don’t get me wrong, her family can’t understand her suffering because they are not aware it. So I hope the author will fulfill her wish. But this is my personal opinion only.

Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) "pokes" Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡)'s cheek so he will not complain. (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku)

After she gave Hachiman the answer, I am feeling like she is the main heroine (why not, it’s not wrong to think she is main heroine in her own life) who needs to depart because she said something that… made her decide to depart. But she repeated him to do the assignment she gave him because she will check answer next time. When he complained about her quality control (this’s not factory!), she poked his cheek and tell him to stop complain.

So I will end this post for real. In the next post, I will write ep12, when she met him to check the answer.

Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) introduces the important topic. (Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabukome wa Machigatte Iru. Oregairu Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Oregairu Zoku やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。 やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続 俺ガイル 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。 果然我的青春戀愛喜劇搞錯了。續 anime ep 12)

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4 thoughts on “Oregairu Analysis – Why Does Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃) Want Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡) to Ask Yukino (雪ノ下 雪乃) About Her Career Path? [Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku Season 2 Ep 11-12]

  1. Nice Analysis, But if i may say, All of them (Hayama and Yukinoshita sisters) expect something from Hachiman. They who burdened by ‘expectations’ wanted to get some answers from Hachiman, who doesn’t get much expectation like them.

    It’s interesting to see that the Career Path itself isn’t the goal. Haruno wanted Yukino to realize her wrong ways and error with Hachiman’s asking. Why did Haruno not move? I think, it’s because her sister who sorts like ‘inferior’ to Haruno. There’s a fair possibility Yukino will outright rejected her words. That’s why she sent Hachiman, the one who is on ‘same’ level with Yukino, so the ‘meaning’ can be sent to her more easily.

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    1. Your opinion is very interesting. And I agree about “inferior”, that’s why Haruno knows that she can’t move, but let Hachiman ask her instead.

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  2. Haruno probably doesn’t like that spot she’s in right now. This is evident if we analyze their intention and expectation. Haruno wants her sister to “get better” and expects hachiman to help her.

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