Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡) tells Miura Yumiko (三浦 優美子) that Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人) would choose the liberal arts. But is this answer correct? This Yahari analysis will reveal his (secondary) career path “that person” presumes in the story.
Before I will start
While I was writing a post about Hachiman and Yumiko, I doubt if the sciences is Hayama’s path as Hachiman analyzes while both of them are running or not. But I found out the most possible answer while I was collecting hints to write the previous analysis. That’s why I decided to write the career path Hayama chooses.
But before you will read this, I strongly recommend you to read LN v10, Yahari Zoku anime ss2 ep11 or manga -Monologue- v10-11 before proceeding.
- Please read Attention page first, to let you understand that my all analyses are not 100% right.
- Spoilers up ahead.
- I recommend you to read/watch Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. (やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。), Oregairu (俺ガイル) LN/anime Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku (やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続)/manga Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabu Kome wa Machigatteiru. -Monologue- (やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。-妄言録-) before proceeding.
- My English sucks, such, sub.
- 20/12/2018 – I add a circumstance evidence to confirm choosing sciences of Hayama. It connects with Haruno’s analyzing in anime ss2 ep11. You can read more by Using Ctrl+F and use this keyword, Haruno’s Analyzing
And before you will read this post, I recommend you to read these two analyses because it’s important to know the truth behind the conversation between Hachiman and Hayama during the marathon race and the after-party, also the major career path that Hayama is looking forward to it.
Oregairu Analysis – Why Does Hayama Hayato Want Him & Hikigaya Hachiman To Be Equal? And His Silent Plan.
In case you doubt why I wrote “secondary”, I recommend you to read this first because I revealed the career path that he claimed that he will not pick and choose but it is really important for his life.
Oregairu Analysis – Arranged Marriage might Happen for real!?
At this point, I think you would read the post above already so it would be safe to tell you that the main career path of Hayama is the arranged marriage (or the engagement) between him and Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃).
I will tell you first that in the story, Hayama is going to follow two career paths. (??)
- The first one is the career path that I wrote in the post above that I think it is the arranged marriage (or even engagement) that his family and Yukinoshita family allowed their children, him and his crush to married.
- Another one is the career path that I assume that he chose to study in the next year and it is the choice that he asks the teacher to hide it from others. This career choice is the issue that I will analyze in this post.
Oregairu Analysis – Finally, “Y” in Hayama Hayato’s Heart Was Revealed.
If you are new to my blog or curious who is Hayama’s crush or “Y”, I will recommend you again to read this post. If you read it already, you can skip it to save time!
These two career paths are things he tries to conceal because I suspect that his marriage/engagement will happen soon so he needs to prepare things to prevent any losses that are relationships or the surroundings around him so he can live in the society (for example, the school) peacefully until graduation.
Aside from that main career choice that is the arranged marriage, I will focus on which career path he wrote in his Prospective Career Path Questionnaire. Actually, he would write the normal choice that is not different from other people because if he wrote “to be married or husband” bluntly, a certain teacher who received his paper, will know the career path he chose and she would show some reactions in the story (LN v10 or up) that indicates that she knows he will get married/engage.
Hiratsuka Shizuka (平塚 静), the homeroom teacher of class 2F. Despite she needs to hide this because Hayama himself doesn’t want other people to know, it’s normal to assume that she reads his choice in the paper or he told her.
However, after I read the conversation between her and Hachiman about various career paths that happens after she received Hayama’s form, it seems she doesn’t show any signs that reflect Hayama wrote something that surprises her at all. So I believe that she doesn’t know about this automatically.
With these assumptions and hints, it means that Hayama would write a normal career path that might be sciences, liberal arts, sports, etc. Anything but that straightforward choice. It’s impossible that someone like him will write that kind of answer anyway.
And imagine when sensei knows that her student will get married soon, while she still…
Therefore, if my assumption about the marriage is correct, it doesn’t mean that he will resign from the school because he would get married soon. He can still study although his status was changed. And I don’t think his parents will wish his educational background to be lower than theirs. Imagine if his background is just the junior high school (because if his parents wish him to resign for real, he will not graduate from Sobu).
Since I couldn’t find any solid evidence for this issue, I searched any hints from other characters that Hachiman talks, to find any information about Hayama’s career path. And among them, there is one person who shares her/his assumptions. After I reviewed this person and Hachiman’s thoughts many times, it appears that this character is the only one who might reach the answer unintentionally. And this person is Yukinoshita Yukino (雪ノ下 雪乃)!!
No, it’s true!
ps. the scene when she analyzes is not in anime and manga -Monologue-.
After the trio helped the student council to prepare the academic and career center, they discuss Hayama’s path again. Yukino also gives her some opinions like this.
- Hayama would follow Haruno as the influence. – Sciences
- To establish the everlasting relationship with Yukinoshita family. – Liberal arts or other choices that it’s up to his parents.
When Hachiman is considering the second choice, he agrees and thinks more that there are many ways to continue that relationship such as the marital relationship. So it will be like this ⇓.
- Hayama would follow Haruno as the influence. – Sciences
- To maintain the close relationship with Yukinoshita family.
- Law firm – Liberal arts
- Any choices that his parents expect for him and the everlasting relationship. – Marriage
If my theory about the arranged marriage is true, it means he would answer expectations of his parents by choosing 2). But I must consider which sciences or liberal arts will answer his own desire. Because he is the one who always answers expectations but if you realize his essence, his own expectation is the most important for him. This is his habit that never changes, no matter how long time will pass. I conclude from the truth from Hachiman’s words (??) that WW hides Hayama’s essence secretly in LN v8.
Oregairu Analysis – The Conclusion of Yukinoshita Haruno’s Plan (Operation Fire Doughnut) & The TRUTH(s) behind Hayama Hayato’s Sacrifice for Hikigaya Hachiman (The Last Part).
If you doubt why Hayama’s essence or the truth about himself is hidden in Hachiman’s words, I decrypted them in this post. Click Ctrl+F and search “Hayama’s thought (Final TL)“.
And if you are going to explore this post, I recommend you to read one of his past that is hidden behind his words when he “seems” to talk with Hachiman after everyone left. Click Ctrl+F and search “The conversation between Haruno and Hayama (that happened in the past).” So you will find out why I think this is his habit that never changes, no matter how long time will pass.
That’s why, to know his secondary choice, I need to find his personal desire, by reviewing things he wants the most (or I don’t need to do that anymore), things he admires the most. If you read other analyses about this character in this blog, especially his love story and all of his plans to gain what he wants that happens in LN v6, 8, 10-11, it’s very easy to know the one who he always admires and follows her for a long time that it is consistent with the first assumption of Yukino, he would follow that person as the influence.
With Yukino’s assumptions along with Hachiman’s, although those two assumptions are just opinions only, if I bring all of his love story along with Hayama’s monologue from the second memorandum, these hints reach the only answer that is sciences, the path his crush chose.
Oregairu Analysis – 2nd Memorandum: Or, It Can Be This Person’s Monologue. [Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru.]
After I read the second memorandum that is the inner monologue of the character who I am focusing on. Abnormal actions and feelings of the person indicate that his desire is the most important factor to find which path he chose for the higher education.
Maybe you would not believe that he chose sciences just for what I wrote above, as same as trio of the service club are surprised with Yumiko’s reason to choose the same path with her crush so she can stay with him longer. Actually, even if he intends to study sciences, it doesn’t mean he can study in the same room with Haruno. So I think that he is not so different from Yumiko or even some people in the world, he is just …satisfied to follow the one he always wants and doesn’t revolve other factors that much. His yearning is the single and clearer than other reasons.
If I collect these materials
- Yukino and Hachiman’s thoughts about sciences.
- Hayama’s feelings in the second memorandum in LN v10.
- His essence behind Hachiman’s word in v8.
- The conclusion from Hachiman that he assumes that Hayama chose sciences.
- And his love story in the story.
Most of them are his own story for this consideration, all of them specify that
he decided to choose sciences to follow Haruno.
Therefore, maybe he would even choose to study the same college with his crush so he can spend time in the same place with her at least 1 year. His self-satisfaction to pursue his sanctuary and get her attention are not things we can understand or agree with the logic.
And if I introspect his career, it’s possible that he might choose to study Bachelor of Science degree in the same university as Haruno and might even look for any opportunity to work together with her (in her company that will be hers in the future since she is the heir of the family). If he got married to her and chose sciences, it’s not difficult for him to do these things since he has the right and it is natural for him to do so.
My assumptions this time might not be unbelievable (and I don’t feel it’s real either) but I consider from his actions during the school cultural festival in LN v6 that he always looks for any opportunities to show off at the area where his crush is by answering everyone’s expectations but he just wants to see her and makes high Haru scores (it’s too bad his love rival gets all scores).
How he “blends” in with various situations during the festival in order to get close to her and gain her attention.
- The First Part – checks why he volunteers to help the committee.
- The Last Part –
useasks his friends to buy time to find Sagami Minami (相模 南) Showing off his effort and helping her little sister, Yukino are smart ideas.
ps. Some scenes in LN are excluded in anime season1.
So to conclude his two career paths, the main choice is marriage and the secondary is sciences.
- Hayama would follow Haruno as the influence. – Sciences ♥
- To maintain the close relationship with Yukinoshita family.
Law firm – Liberal arts
- Any choices that his parents expect for him and the everlasting relationship. – Marriage ⊕
ps. I consider the sciences as his second choice because …the marriage answers his desire the most and impacts his life while the sciences answer his wish to follow the same route with his crush. Actually, if adults don’t plan this marriage, maybe he would not hide his career path from others because he still needs Yumiko’s protection until graduation. So letting her know his future path and follow him until he graduates from Sobu (or even the college) are necessary. And he knows well that she wants to stay with him.
Q: But he Might Choose liberal arts or Lawyer.
A: Possible. If he is not the one who always answers his own expectations, I think he might choose sciences to help company or liberal arts to support Yukinoshita’s company, follow his father and I think his skill to convince people is not something we can ignore, if he chose to be the lawyer, he can support her, the heir of the family and their company. Such smart plan. So liberal arts are the reasonable choice more than sciences if he wishes well for her future and family sincerely.
But after I realize that all of his plans to gain Haruno’s attention in the story, I need to consider his will as the important factor. Liberal Arts can’t answer his satisfaction to follow her in his college life while sciences can cover the whole area that Haruno lives, college and occupation. When he sees her as his sanctuary to ease his loneliness (from the second memorandum) while he overlooks everything even her true feeling toward him, sciences are a bit unreasonable choice but for him, this is the only choice.
And choosing the liberal arts is the unreasonable choice already since if my assumption about the marriage/engagement is correct, spending time with Yumiko in the third year would be …awkward for him because his status will not be single anymore. No reason for him to “manipulate” Hachiman so he will tell her that her crush chose Liberal Arts if he is going to study this path. If he is desperate to avoid any negative emotions from girls (that he do this all times), providing her to choose the different choice from him is what I suspect that he did it and this can explain why he hides his decision from everyone too.
Therefore, this can conclude how he thinks about his friends, not just Yumiko only, Tobe Kakeru (戸部 翔), Yamato (大和), Ooka (大岡), Ebina Hina (海老名姫菜) and Yuigahama Yui (由比ヶ浜 結衣).
Q: But He Might Choose Other Choices…
A: It’s possible he might choose other paths but I can’t find his motivation toward them and other career paths don’t connect with two assumptions that Yukino analyzes.
- Sports – Since he plays soccer seriously and his skill can advance to the higher level as Totsuka Saika (戸塚 彩加) says, he might choose this choice. But this path is not the same path as Haruno’s and it doesn’t answer his family’s expectation either. Although there is the possibility, it is very low.
Therefore, I remember that he started to be serious in this sport since the middle school (LN v8). The period after “the certain incident” that made the relationship between him and Yukinoshita sisters was cut off that reflects how he played the soccer seriously so he can be so tired, so he can forget the trauma in the past.
If he chose to concentrate sports because of this reason, it is difficult for me to believe he will be aiming for the professional level since he doesn’t play them because they are his life but to not suffer because of that past.
- International Liberal Studies course – …It would not surprises me if his parents want him to study this path but I can’t find any hint that points he chooses this either.
Q: So it means Hachiman assumes correctly?
A: Yes, but not quite. When he suspected that Hayama will choose sciences but Hayama’s lie makes him “misunderstand” and changes to another answer that is liberal arts.
Therefore, Hachiman suspects that Hayama would choose sciences because of many things as he explains. But Hayama doesn’t choose sciences just because he wants to escape from everyone’s expectations (although it is true partly because he will not need Yumiko anymore) or this reason is not the main reason (it’s because what I explained above that is following his crush). I think his desire to follow his crush is the main reason to decide the path he will study while managing his surroundings is other factor that he must prepare for the sciences and that marriage/engagement.
However, although Hachiman is wrong to think that Hayama chose sciences because of the surrounding around him only, I don’t think each assumption of him is wrong since it is 100% correct. What Hachiman lacks is who is Hayama’s crush so he can’t realize Hayama’s true desire despite Hachiman got the important clue from Yukino already, who he tried to follow.
Just like when Haruno knew from Yuigahama that her sister is going to choose Sciences, Haruno who got the info that is the same as her choice, Sciences, can understand that her sister chooses the same career path and the same place, Sciences and public university. Haruno assumed like this because she got enough info to reach the truth. So Hachiman who doesn’t know enough valuable information that is Hayama’s deepest desire, will know his career path?
So each result connects with each cause instead like this. ⇓
manage his surroundings so he can live peacefully (reason) ⇒ chooses sciences (result)
1. The arranged marriage (reason) ⇒ manages his surroundings so he can live peacefully. (result)
2. follows his crush (reason) ⇒ chooses sciences (result)
You can notice that [manage his surroundings ….peacefully] is the reason that Hachiman describes about Hayama. But it becomes the result of Hayama’s plans while sciences are still the result but this path connect with other reason instead. Matching changes.
That’s why I think Hachiman’s analysis lacks the important info but each assumption of him is 100% correct that it can explain why his explanation worries Hayama (Yes. It’s very difficult to notice his worry at that time if you don’t know “his struggle” after that) because his rival can realize his plans and his insincere intentions. But he can deceive him by saying “another truth” (that is his silent plan that I wrote in Oregairu Analysis – Why Does Hayama Hayato Want Him & Hikigaya Hachiman To Be Equal? And His Silent Plan. above) in order to lie and hide all truths that Hachiman accused him just now, he needs to even deceive the speaker (Hayama himself) that…
“I am not lying because I am saying the truth.”
This is how to bending the truth with the truth. The art of lying (the good person should not copy this technique). To convince himself that he is not lying, he says another truth so he can deny Hachiman’s assumption, so he can hides the truth that Hachiman dug up, so his plan will not fail.
My feeling after know the truth.
Hayama’s effort can trick Hachiman and hide two assumptions that Hachiman said that all of them are true because they are things that he doesn’t want his rival to reveal this to others or instruct others to choose the same path with him, that is his friend, Yumiko because if Hachiman’s assumption is not wrong (that I suspect that it’s true), Hayama is going to escaping from her expectation.
“Everyone”‘s expectations can be interpreted as everyone in the school for real or people who have high expectation to him, that are his friends. Even so, I still think that Yumiko is going to take the most damage from his decision (marriage and choosing different career path) if she realizes that they will be separate for real. So he can’t allow Hachiman to reveal his secondary choice and what he will do to that “everyone”, I am not sure if there are more people in this “everyone” though.
Circumstance Evidence(s) (Update 20/12/2018)
Another Truth Behind Haruno’s Analyzing
After I updated two analyses, 2nd & 3rd memorandums by analyzing the conversation between Haruno and Hachiman (in anime season2 ep11), I also realized that Haruno’s analyzing connects and confirms choosing sciences of Hayama.
In order to understand her analyzing, we need to understand first that she is another one who knows about the arranged marriage, his feeling toward her and even his true natural. So when Hachiman tells her that Hayama didn’t tell him about his career choice, she can piece together to find Hayama’s intention. Her answer in this image is his desire.
If you are interested about her analyzing in detail, you can read more in analysis – 2nd memorandum (link is above). Understanding her skill to link up many things about him until reach the answer is the important thing to reach the reason behind choosing sciences of him too. From Hayama’s point of view, she is expected to find him is the reason that makes him decide to choose the same path with her that also reflects his desire to run after her. The career path that he chooses so he can follow her back, there is only one choice.
After she thought and said to Hachiman that…
“I see. So Hayato’s expecting something, too.”
“Something that will find him, maybe.”
I start to understand about another truth behind her words above. The first truth I found is the meaning of her words, Hayato’s expecting someone (that is her) will find him. Another truth I found while I’m writing this analysis is it is possible that she connected hints until she reaches the conclusion about his career path. If he wants to pursue her, the only path he will choose in order to follow her so she will find him is the same path she chose that is Sciences. This means she knows he chose Sciences.
So Haruno knows two truths after she talked with Hachiman.
- The truth he is expecting her to find him.
- The truth about his career path that is Sciences.
And Hachiman follows Hayama’s lie, changes his assumption to liberal arts because he believes in Hayama’s conclusion (that is why I will not do as you said. = Not Sciences but Liberal Arts) and tells Yumiko later. Again Hachiman helps him from problems unintentionally. This result reminds me of his warning toward Hachiman earlier when Hachiman asks him about his career path for the first time.
“As for your question earlier, I’ll leave the answer up to your imagination. I don’t know who asked you, but… if you make your choice without giving it any thought, you’re definitely going to regret it.”
So what will Hachiman and Yumiko do if Hayama chose sciences for real while Hachiman told Yumiko that he would choose another (imagine their expressions…).
After Hayama lies to Hachiman so Yumiko will not choose the same path as him, he can blame his rival later that it is Hachiman’s imagination or he warned him but he still do it, something like that because he didn’t reject that he picked sciences and he didn’t say that he chose liberal arts either. You can review the conversation between both of them during the marathon race. Hayama never confirms his career path to Hachiman even once. This means he is going to let Hachiman feels guilty for his action because he is the one who told the wrong choice to Yumiko. And she chose the different path from her crush that is a very serious matter. So I suspect that Hayama is expecting Hachiman will suffer because this is his fault, not him!
If my assumption is true, then it means that Hayama knows which path Yumiko chooses but he doesn’t say anything?
Lastly, if the end of Oregairu is revealed, how will Hayama feel if he chose sciences to follow “Y” but “Y” he admires, gains freedom from her family and can decide her own life for the first time, with the support of “that person”?
ps. My assumption about Haruno will decide her own life for the first time is not the random assumption because I found something that makes me suspect that a certain specific author hides this truth from us all times. I will update about it later.
The pic might not be relateable with what I said but it is.
Nevertheless, choosing sciences is just my analyzing that has no any solid evidence but with reasonable analyzing of Yukino and Hachiman, Hayama’s behavior+thoughts in various references, and Haruno’s voiceless analyzing help me reach this answer. And if my assumption that Haruno will not get married/engaged, the possibility that Hayama might reconsider his path will not be zero. Although I think he chose Sciences, people can change their career path as Hiratsuka-sensei told Hachiman. My analysis focuses on his second career path that he chose in LN v10 only and explain in case things will be as Hayama plans only but I will not predict which path he will decide to study in the end and I will not guarantee if Yumiko and others will be sad or even know the truth since anything can be possible and Hayama can change his mind later soundlessly. It is up to the author, WW only. I doubt if the trio will know Hayama’s truth in the end. That’s why I recommend you to not believe my analyzing as the absolute truth but check LN. Knowing the truth with our own effort is fun more than you can imagine.
The next issue I “MIGHT” publish is “Why does Mrs.Yukinoshita cancel the prom?”. If I am not wrong, people who cause this problem is not Yukinoshita’s mother. (??) If what I suspect and hint are consistent, I will share it to you.
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