Hikigaya Hachiman (比企谷 八幡) tells Miura Yumiko (三浦 優美子) that Hayama Hayato (葉山 隼人) would choose the liberal arts. But is this answer correct? This Yahari analysis will reveal his (secondary) career path “that person” presumes in the story.
Before I will start
While I was writing a post about Hachiman and Yumiko, I doubt if the sciences is Hayama’s path as Hachiman suspects or not. But I found out the most possible answer while I was collecting hints to write the previous analysis. That’s why I decided to write the career path Hayama chooses.
But before you will read this, I strongly recommend you to read LN v10, Yahari Zoku anime ss2 ep11 or manga -Monologue- v10-11 before proceeding.
- Please read Attention page first, to let you understand that my all analyses are not 100% right.
- Spoilers up ahead.
- I recommend you to read/watch Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. (やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。), Oregairu (俺ガイル) LN/anime Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru. Zoku (やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。続)/manga Yahari Ore no Seishun Rabu Kome wa Machigatteiru. -Monologue- (やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。-妄言録-) before proceeding.
- My English sucks, such, sub.
- 20/12/2018 – I add a circumstance evidence to confirm choosing sciences of Hayama. It connects with Haruno’s analyzing in anime ss2 ep11. You can read more by Using Ctrl+F and use this keyword, Haruno’s Analyzing
And before you will read this post, I recommend you to read these two analyses because it’s important to know the truth behind the conversation between Hachiman and Hayama during the marathon race and the after-party, also the major career path that Hayama is looking forward to it.
Oregairu Analysis – Why Does Hayama Hayato Want Him & Hikigaya Hachiman To Be Equal? And His Silent Plan.
In case you doubt why I wrote “secondary”, I recommend you to read this first because I revealed the career path that he claimed that he will not pick and choose but it is really important for his life.
Oregairu Analysis – Arranged Marriage might Happen for real!?
At this point, I think you would read the post above already so it would be safe to tell you that the main career path of Hayama is the arranged marriage (or the engagement) between him and Yukinoshita Haruno (雪ノ下 陽乃).
I will tell you first that in the story, Hayama is going to follow two career paths. (??)
- The first one is the career path that I wrote in the post above that I think it is the arranged marriage (or even engagement) that his family and Yukinoshita family allowed their children, him and his crush to married.
- Another one is the career path that I assume that he chose to study in the next year and it is the choice that he asks the teacher to hide it from others. This career choice is the issue that I will analyze in this post.
Oregairu Analysis – Finally, “Y” in Hayama Hayato’s Heart Was Revealed.
If you are new to my blog or curious who is Hayama’s crush or “Y”, I will recommend you again to read this post. If you read it already, you can skip it to save time!
These two career paths are things he tries to conceal because his marriage will happen soon so he needs to prepare things to prevent any losses that are relationships or the surroundings around him so he can live in the society (that is the school) peacefully until graduation.
Aside from that main career choice that is arranged marriage, I will focus on which career path he wrote in his Prospective Career Path Questionnaire. Actually, he would write the normal choice that is not different from other people because if he wrote “to be married or husband” bluntly, a certain teacher who received his paper, will know the career path he chose and she would show some reactions in the story that indicates that she knows he will get married.
Hiratsuka Shizuka (平塚 静), the homeroom teacher of class 2F. Despite she needs to hide this because Hayama himself doesn’t want other people to know, it’s normal to assume that she reads his choice in the paper or he told her.
However, after I read the conversation between her and Hachiman about various career paths that happens after she received Hayama’s form, it seems she doesn’t show any signs that reflect Hayama wrote something that surprises her at all. So I believe that she doesn’t know about this arranged marriage.
With these assumptions and hints, it means that Hayama would write a normal career path that might be sciences, liberal arts, sports, etc. Anything but that straightforward choice. It’s impossible that someone like him will write that kind of answer anyway.
And imagine when sensei knows that her student will get married soon, while she still…
Therefore, if my assumption about the marriage is correct, it doesn’t mean that he will resign from the school because he would get married soon. He can still study although his status will be changed. And I don’t think his parents will wish his educational background to be lower than theirs. Imagine if his background is just junior high school (because if his parents wish him to resign for real, he will not graduate from Sobu).
Since I couldn’t find any solid evidence for this issue, I searched any hints from other characters that Hachiman talks, to find any information about Hayama’s career path. And among them, there is one person who shares her/his assumptions. After I reviewed her and Hachiman’s thoughts many times, it appears that she is the only one who might reach the answer. And this person is Yukinoshita Yukino (雪ノ下 雪乃)!!
No, it’s true!
ps. the scene when she analyzes is not in anime and manga -Monologue-.
After the trio helps to prepare the academic and career center, they return to the club room and discuss Hayama’s path again. Yukino also gives her some opinions like this.
- Hayama would follow Haruno as the influence. – Sciences
- To establish the everlasting relationship with Yukinoshita family. – Liberal arts or other choices that it’s up to his parents.
When Hachiman is considering the second choice, he agrees and thinks more that there are many ways to continue that relationship such as the marital relationship. So it will be like this ⇓.
- Hayama would follow Haruno as the influence. – Sciences
- To maintain the close relationship with Yukinoshita family.
- Law firm – Liberal arts
- Any choices that his parents expect for him and the everlasting relationship. – Marriage
If my theory about the arranged marriage is true, it means he answers expectations of his parents by choosing 2) already. But I must consider which sciences or liberal arts will answer his own desire. Because he is the one who always answers expectations but if you realize his essence, his own expectation is the most important. This is his habit that never changes, no matter how long time will pass. I conclude from the truth from Hachiman’s words (??) that WW hides Hayama’s essence secretly in LN v8.
Oregairu Analysis – The Conclusion of Yukinoshita Haruno’s Plan (Operation Fire Doughnut) & The TRUTH(s) behind Hayama Hayato’s Sacrifice for Hikigaya Hachiman (The Last Part).
If you doubt why Hayama’s essence or the truth about himself is hidden in Hachiman’s words, I decrypted them in this post. Click Ctrl+F and search “Hayama’s thought (Final TL)“.
And if you are going to explore this post, I recommend you to read one of his past that is hidden behind his words when he “seems” to talk with Hachiman after everyone left. Click Ctrl+F and search “The conversation between Haruno and Hayama (that happened in the past).” So you will find out why I think this is his habit that never changes, no matter how long time will pass.
That’s why, to know his secondary choice, I need to find his personal desire, by reviewing things he wants the most (or I don’t need to that), things he admires the most. If you read other analyses about this character in this blog, especially his love story and all of his plans to gain what he wants that happens in LN v6, 8, 10-11, it’s very easy to know the one who he always admires and follows her for a long time.
With Yukino’s assumptions along with Hachiman’s, although those two assumptions are just opinions only, if I bring all of his love story along with Hayama’s monologue from the second memorandum, these hints reach the only answer that is sciences, the path his crush chose.
Oregairu Analysis – 2nd Memorandum: Or, It Can Be This Person’s Monologue. [Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Come wa Machigatteiru.]
After I read the second memorandum that is the inner monologue of the character who I am focusing on. Abnormal actions and feelings of the person indicate that his desire is the most important factor to find which path he chose for the higher education.
Maybe you would not believe that he chose sciences just for that, as same as other characters are surprised with Yumiko’s reason to choose the same path with her crush so she can stay with him longer. Actually, even if he intends to study sciences, it doesn’t mean he can study in the same room with Haruno. So I think that he is not so different from Yumiko or even some people in the world, he is just …satisfied to follow the one he always wants and doesn’t revolve other factors. His yearning is the single and clearer than other reasons.
If I collect these materials
- Yukino and Hachiman’s thoughts about sciences.
- Hayama’s feelings in the second memorandum in LN v10.
- His essence behind Hachiman’s word in v8.
- The conclusion from Hachiman that he assumes that Hayama chose sciences.
- And his love story in the story.
that most of them are his own story to this consideration, all of them specify that
he decided to choose sciences to follow Haruno.
Therefore, maybe he would even choose to study the same college with his crush so he can spend time in the same place with her at least 1 year. His self-satisfaction to pursue his sanctuary and get her attention are not things we can understand or agree with the logic.
And if I introspect his career, it’s possible that he might choose to study Bachelor of Science degree in the same university as Haruno and might even look for any opportunity to work together with her (in her company that will be hers in the future since she is the heir of the family). If he got married to her and chose sciences, it’s not difficult for him to do these things since he has the right and it is natural for him to do so.
My assumptions this time might not be unbelievable (and I don’t feel it’s real either) but I consider from his actions during the school cultural festival in LN v6 that he always looks for any opportunities to be at the area where his crush lives by answering everyone’s expectations but he just wants to see her and makes Haru scores (it’s too bad his love rival gets all scores).
How he “blends” in with various situations during the festival to get close to her and gain her attention.
- The First Part – checks if Haruno joins this event, why he joins the music performance, and volunteer to help the committee.
- The Last Part –
useasks his friends to buy time to find Sagami Minami (相模 南) that is helping her little sister, Yukino.
ps. Some scenes in LN are excluded in anime season1.
So to conclude his two career paths, the main choice is marriage and the secondary is sciences.
- Hayama would follow Haruno as the influence. – Sciences ♥
- To maintain the close relationship with Yukinoshita family.
Law firm – Liberal arts
- Any choices that his parents expect for him and the everlasting relationship. – Marriage ⊕
ps. I consider the sciences as his second choice because …the marriage answers his desire the most and impacts his life while the sciences answer his wish to follow the same route with his crush. Actually, if adults don’t plan this marriage, maybe he would not hide his career path from others because he still needs Yumiko’s protection until graduation. So letting her know his future path and follow him until he graduates from Sobu (and even the college) are necessary. And he knows well that she wants to stay with him.
Q: But he Might Choose liberal arts or Lawyer.
A: Possible. If he is not the one who always answers his own expectations, I think he might choose sciences to help company or liberal arts to support Yukinoshita’s company, follow his father and I think his skill to convince people is not something we can underestimate, if he chose to be the lawyer, he can support her, the heir of the family and their company. So liberal arts are the reasonable choice more than sciences if he wishes well for her future and family sincerely.
But after I realize that all of his plans to gain Haruno’s attention in the story, I need to consider his will as the important factor. Liberal Arts can’t answer his satisfaction to follow her in his college life while sciences can cover the whole area that Haruno lives, college and occupation. When he sees her as his sanctuary to ease his loneliness (from the second memorandum) while he overlooks everything even her feeling toward him, sciences are a bit unreasonable choice but for him, this is the only choice.
And choosing the liberal arts is the bad choice for him already since if my assumption about the marriage is correct, spending time with Yumiko in the third year would be …awkward for him because his status will not be single anymore. If he is desperate to avoid any negative emotions from girls (that he do this all times), providing her to choose the different choice from him is what I suspect that he did it and this can explain why he hides his decision from everyone.
Therefore, this can conclude how he thinks about his friends, not just Yumiko only, Tobe Kakeru (戸部 翔), Yamato (大和), Ooka (大岡), Ebina Hina (海老名姫菜) and Yuigahama Yui (由比ヶ浜 結衣).
Q: But He Might Choose Other Choices…
A: It’s possible he might choose other paths but I can’t find his motivation toward them and other career paths don’t connect with two assumptions that Yukino analyzes.
- Sports – Since he plays soccer seriously and his skill can advance to the higher level as Totsuka Saika (戸塚 彩加) says, he might choose this choice. But this path is not the same path as Haruno’s and it doesn’t answer his family’s expectation either.
- International Liberal Studies course – …It would not surprises me if his parents want him to study this path but I can’t find any hint that points he chooses this.
Q: So it means Hachiman assumes correctly?
A: Yes, but not quite. When he doubts that Hayama will choose sciences but Hayama’s rejection makes him “misunderstand” and changes to another answer that is liberal arts.
Therefore, Hachiman suspects that Hayama would choose sciences because of many things as he explains. But Hayama doesn’t choose sciences because he wants to escape from everyone’s expectations or this reason is not the main reason (it’s because what I explained above that is following his crush).
However, although Hachiman is wrong to think that Hayama chose sciences because of that, I don’t think each assumption of him is wrong since it is 100% correct but his reason doesn’t relate to the second career choice of Hayama, it relates to the main career path instead. And it appears that the sciences would connect with Hayama’s personal desire. So what he says is correct but its matching is wrong IMO, each result connects with each cause instead like this. ⇓
manage his surroundings so he can live peacefully (reason) ⇒ chooses sciences (result)
1. The arranged marriage (reason) ⇒ manages his surroundings so he can live peacefully. (result)
2. follows his crush (reason) ⇒ chooses sciences (result)
You can notice that [manage his surroundings ….peacefully] is the reason that Hachiman explains to Hayama. But it becomes the result of Hayama’s plans while sciences are still the result but it connects with other reason instead. Matching changes.
That’s why I think Hachiman’s analysis is not 100% correct but each assumption of him is 100% correct that it can explain why his explanation worries Hayama (that it’s very difficult to notice his worry at that time) because his rival can realize his plans and his insincere intentions. But he can deceive him by saying “another truth” (that is his silent plan that I wrote in Oregairu Analysis – Why Does Hayama Hayato Want Him & Hikigaya Hachiman To Be Equal? And His Silent Plan. above) to lie and hide all truths that Hachiman accused and even deceives even the speaker (Hayama himself) that he is not lying because he is saying the truth.
Hayama’s effort can trick Hachiman and hide two assumptions that Hachiman said that all of them are true because they are things that he doesn’t want his rival to reveal this to others or instruct others to choose the same path with him, that is his friend, Yumiko because if Hachiman’s assumption is not wrong (that I suspect that it’s true), Hayama is going to escaping from her expectation and betraying her.
Everyone’s expectations can be interpreted as everyone in the school for real or people who have high expectation to him, that is his friends. Even so, I still think that Yumiko (and even Isshiki Iroha (一色いろは)) are going to take the most damage from his decision (marriage and choosing different career path). So he can’t allow Hachiman to reveal his secondary choice and what he will do to that “everyone”.
Circumstance Evidence(s) (Update 20/12/2018)
After I updated two analyses, 2nd & 3rd memorandums by analyzing the conversation between Haruno and Hachiman (in anime season2 ep11), I also realized that Haruno’s analyzing connects and confirms choosing sciences of Hayama.
In order to understand her analyzing, we need to understand first that she is another one who knows about the arranged marriage, his feeling toward her and even his true natural. So when Hachiman tells her that Hayama didn’t tell him about his career choice, she can piece together to find his intention. Her answer is his objective.
If you are interested about her analyzing in detail, you can read more in analysis – 2nd memorandum (link is above). Understanding her skill to link up many things about him until reach the answer is the important thing to connect with choosing sciences of him too. Because she is expected to find him is the reason that makes him decide to choose to study this subject that is the same path with her that also reflects his desire to run after her. The career path that he chooses so he can follow her back, there is only one choice.
And Hachiman follows the route Hayama directs, changes his assumption to liberal arts and tells Yumiko later. Again Hachiman helps him from problems unintentionally. This result reminds me of his warning toward Hachiman earlier when Hachiman asks him about his career path for the first time.
“As for your question earlier, I’ll leave the answer up to your imagination. I don’t know who asked you, but… if you make your choice without giving it any thought, you’re definitely going to regret it.”
So what will Hachiman and Yumiko do if Hayama chose sciences for real while Hachiman told Yumiko that he would choose another (imagine their expressions…).
After Hayama lies to Hachiman so Yumiko will not choose the same path as him, he can blame his rival after his career path is revealed that it is Hachiman’s imagination because he didn’t reject that he picked sciences and he didn’t say that he chose liberal arts either. You can review the conversation between both of them during the marathon race. Hayama never confirms his career path to Hachiman even once. This means he is going to let Hachiman feel guilty about his action because he told the wrong choice to Yumiko. And she chose the different path from her crush that is a very serious matter. So I suspect that Hayama is expecting Hachiman will suffer because this is his fault, not him!
If my assumption is true, then it means that Hayama would know which path Yumiko chooses but he doesn’t say anything?
Lastly, if the end of Oregairu is revealed, how will Hayama feel if he chose sciences to follow “Y” but “Y” he admires, gains freedom from her family and can decide her own life for the first time (include the career path she wants to study that I suspect that she wants to study society although choosing to study this is just my imagination)?
Nevertheless, choosing sciences is just my assumption that has no any solid evidence but with reasonable analyzing of Yukino and Hachiman and Hayama’s behavior and thoughts in various references help me reach this answer. So I recommend you do not believe me but check in LN or manga -Monologue-.
The next issue I “MIGHT” publish is “Why does Mrs.Yukinoshita cancel the prom?”. If I am not wrong, people who cause this problem is not Yukinoshita’s mother. (??) If what I suspect and hint are consistent, I will share it to you.
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